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Dual HS 130(1224) or new turntable?

mtcn77

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I found out my close family keep an old Dual HS 130 record player. I think I could connect it to my current Klipsch the Sevens using a 1/4" to 1/8" aux cable.
What would be a better option - a new Audio Technica 120XBT USB player, or another contemporary budget player you would suggest?
 
You need a RIAA…probably .as your speakers spec do not mention RIAA
 
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Does a phono input work? Because the Sevens has one.
I heard you need a preamp without RIAA for this turntable. I'm a little in the dark about this turntable. I think it doesn't come with a phono off switch for external phono preamp.
 
you don't need a preamp, it's all built into the unit. From what I read it only puts out about 7 watts per channel, so depending on how efficient your speakers are will make it more or less loud. I don't know how the speakers hook up but likely a couple of sets of screws on the back to attach speaker wires.

That looks like a real low budget unit, but if you just want to screw around with it go for it. Maybe it'll scratch that itch.
 
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It is said the best way is to cut the DIN connector heads and rewire them to a donor RCA cables. If only I didn't have an active speaker system.
It has a 1/4" output. I wonder what it does.
 

saves cutting wires

The 1/4 output is meant to provide extra shielding for the signal wire to prevent interference.

I wouldn't cut anything until you're 100% sure the record player works properly. I've read those record players are only compatible with ceramic cartridges which I wouldn't know where to find. It's a very old mid 70s unit and may need some servicing to get it working, might not be worth the trouble unless you're handy with electronics repair.
 
Why do you want to play records? Do you have some old records you want to play? If that's all you want the old record player should be OK, at least to start with.

I think I could connect it to my current Klipsch the Sevens using a 1/4" to 1/8" aux cable.
The headphone output will work. Headphone outputs are compatible with line-inputs. The signal voltage is about the same. The differences are that headphone outputs are capable of driving headphones (lower impedance). It doesn't work the other way around... Line-outputs cannot drive headphones, and headphones always have a volume control and sometimes line-outputs don't.

You may not want something "permanently" plugged-into the front panel but it might be a quick & easy way to try it out.

If you are thinking about "getting into viny", I'd advise against it. ;) It's an old inferior format. But if that's your plan, I'd recommend a new turntable. If I was buying a new turntable I'd probably buy the AT-120. It doesn't seem "too cheap" and it's not crazy expensive. And it comes ready-to-play with a cartridge and built-in preamp. It has USB for digitizing records and it's direct-drive so there are no belts or drive wheels to wear out. I've got a 40-year old Techincs direct drive and it still works perfectly. (It hasn't been in continuous use for 40 years... For the last few decades it's only been used to occasionally digitize a record that's not available digitally.)

I've read those record players are only compatible with ceramic cartridges
If that's true, of course it's "compatible" with with the system it came with. But without the old electronics it's not compatible with anything "modern" and it won't work with a regular phono preamp or the phono preamp built-into a receiver.

And you can't easily/practically swap it for a magnetic cartridge. It's not worth attempting...

When I was growing-up in the 1970s, most average stereos had ceramic cartridges and only the high-end stuff had a magnetic cartridge. There is a BIG difference in sound quality and now only a few super-cheap turntables have ceramic.

Usually the clue is a flip-over stylus for LPs or 78's like this. Not all ceramic cartridges have that no magnetic cartridges have a flip-over stylus
 
If that's true, of course it's "compatible" with with the system it came with. But without the old electronics it's not compatible with anything "modern" and it won't work with a regular phono preamp or the phono preamp built-into a receiver.

I believe this unit has a phono preamp already built into it, it looks like an integrated amp with record player with maybe an auxilary jack or two for tuner and tape.

They just wants to know how or if it's possible to connect a set of active speakers

I didn't realize that ceramic cartridges were still in production.
 
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saves cutting wires

The 1/4 output is meant to provide extra shielding for the signal wire to prevent interference.

I wouldn't cut anything until you're 100% sure the record player works properly. I've read those record players are only compatible with ceramic cartridges which I wouldn't know where to find. It's a very old mid 70s unit and may need some servicing to get it working, might not be worth the trouble unless you're handy with electronics repair.
It had terrific sound quality though one channel wasn't working. I'm new to this stuff. Is it a low end conical stylus better due to less pops and crackles, or super high end I'll have to find out.
It has some other DIN insert with only two pins. It is not the P/S port that old pc peripherals use.
Why do you want to play records? Do you have some old records you want to play? If that's all you want the old record player should be OK, at least to start with.


The headphone output will work. Headphone outputs are compatible with line-inputs. The signal voltage is about the same. The differences are that headphone outputs are capable of driving headphones (lower impedance). It doesn't work the other way around... Line-outputs cannot drive headphones, and headphones always have a volume control and sometimes line-outputs don't.

You may not want something "permanently" plugged-into the front panel but it might be a quick & easy way to try it out.

If you are thinking about "getting into viny", I'd advise against it. ;) It's an old inferior format. But if that's your plan, I'd recommend a new turntable. If I was buying a new turntable I'd probably buy the AT-120. It doesn't seem "too cheap" and it's not crazy expensive. And it comes ready-to-play with a cartridge and built-in preamp. It has USB for digitizing records and it's direct-drive so there are no belts or drive wheels to wear out. I've got a 40-year old Techincs direct drive and it still works perfectly. (It hasn't been in continuous use for 40 years... For the last few decades it's only been used to occasionally digitize a record that's not available digitally.)


If that's true, of course it's "compatible" with with the system it came with. But without the old electronics it's not compatible with anything "modern" and it won't work with a regular phono preamp or the phono preamp built-into a receiver.

And you can't easily/practically swap it for a magnetic cartridge. It's not worth attempting...

When I was growing-up in the 1970s, most average stereos had ceramic cartridges and only the high-end stuff had a magnetic cartridge. There is a BIG difference in sound quality and now only a few super-cheap turntables have ceramic.

Usually the clue is a flip-over stylus for LPs or 78's like this. Not all ceramic cartridges have that no magnetic cartridges have a flip-over stylus
Thank you. It is good to know the headphone isn't a permanent solution. I only needed to know if it worked as a line output. That is great information.
I'm into blues. You cannot have blues without vinyl.
 
I don't know anything about Audio Technica 120XBT. I just web searched it and there was mixed reviews, some love, some there's better deals to be had. I think it's partly due to the type of features you want/need.
 
Beyond the issue of that one channel not working (any number of factors could be the reason), this is an old rim-drive 'table. Old rim-drive turntables, in my experience, usually have wow and flutter issues. This would be a project, one you might not be capable of getting functional. If you want to play your old blues records through powered speakers something like the Audio Technica 120 series would be better and a whole lot less frustrating. People would give me non-functional turntables thinking I would be able to fix them. Didn't happen. If you can afford it, get the AT 'table.
 
I'm into blues. You cannot have blues without vinyl.
Hmmm... Do you mean it's not available digitally or it just doesn't "feel right"? There is a LOT of blues on CD and streaming. Or do you get the blues when you listen to the crappy analog sound quality? :p

Either way, since you really want to "listen", I'd recommend a new turntable, and you can optionally digitize.

As far as "sound", a digitized copy will sound exactly the same as the direct vinyl (in a blind listening test) assuming no "problems" when digitizing. Or the digitized copy can sound better because you can (partially) clean-up clicks & pops and you can EQ, etc. (Or the Parks Waxwing preamp has real-time noise reduction.)

Do you have old 78 RPM records? If so I have more comments & suggestions...
 
Not to mention the "rumble" of the wheel rolling around. Not audible on 70s speakers...
Nonsense - where Duals were concerned!!! :D

There's one BIG issue with a 1224, as it has a two pole motor which according to Dual experts (one legendary {on VE] expert in particular), really limits it to ceramic pickups which can't be used into an 'AUX input without severe response changes, due to most? Ceramic pickups ideally needing 1 - 2M loading. Mine here sound exceedingly thin and even scratchier when loaded with say, 10 - 50k of an Aux input. Although the tonearm can easily take most MMs made tracking from 1g upwards if my related previous generation 1214 here is any example, there's apparently a potential hum-field issue from the two pole motor.

So, you could try feeding the Dual direct into the line input on the Klipsch, but as I can't find a sensitivity/impedance for the line input, the sound could well be painful! Yes, a MM pickup if it works without hum will need a phono stage and I think this may be of interest to some here -


Doesn't seem to have variable output though, just two gain modes - and it's NOT suitable for ceramic pickups of old...

In this case and also bearing in mind the Klipsch 'the Sevens' aren't what I'd call a cheap speaker, I'd maybe look at a modern turntable (LP5X maybe?), much as I revere classic Duals for the wonderfully precise and auto-gentle machines they are to this day...
 
saves cutting wires

Not necessarily. I.e., while the amp section of the HS130 does sport a DIN tape i/o jack, DIN tape output level is very low, usually in combination with rather high to very high output impedance - so the signal level into a regular RCA line-in will be very low. Hence I wouldn't recommend that. And then one would also have to get the correct adaptor for the purpose.


The headphone output will work. Headphone outputs are compatible with line-inputs. The signal voltage is about the same. The differences are that headphone outputs are capable of driving headphones (lower impedance). (...)

Careful there. I.e., in case of the HS130 it should actually work no problemo, as its power-amp section isn't very powerful - but I wouldn't generalise that. Because just think of for example a typical 2x 100 W integrated amp with a headphone output driven by the power-amp section via series resistors in the range of ca. 300 Ohm. In such a case one would have to be pretty careful with the volume control, in order not to overdrive a regular line-in.

(...) and headphones always have a volume control and sometimes line-outputs don't. (...)

Really always? Just look at the Philips CD480: Sports a headphone output, but without volume control (neither separate, nor combined for the headphone and the line output).


Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini
 
Hmmm... Do you mean it's not available digitally or it just doesn't "feel right"? There is a LOT of blues on CD and streaming. Or do you get the blues when you listen to the crappy analog sound quality? :p

Either way, since you really want to "listen", I'd recommend a new turntable, and you can optionally digitize.

As far as "sound", a digitized copy will sound exactly the same as the direct vinyl (in a blind listening test) assuming no "problems" when digitizing. Or the digitized copy can sound better because you can (partially) clean-up clicks & pops and you can EQ, etc. (Or the Parks Waxwing preamp has real-time noise reduction.)

Do you have old 78 RPM records? If so I have more comments & suggestions...
I don't want to look ungrateful, but I didn't want this thread to be about digital and vinyl. I bought a speaker set for my family and this record player was brought up to be used with it. I was originally intending to use the speakers with tv, or laptop. You know how relatives are...
If the Dual HS 130 still works well and the needle’s in decent shape, I’d say give it a try first-those old units can sound surprisingly nice.
Vivaldi sounded nice. That is all I heard from it.
In this case and also bearing in mind the Klipsch 'the Sevens' aren't what I'd call a cheap speaker, I'd maybe look at a modern turntable (LP5X maybe?), much as I revere classic Duals for the wonderfully precise and auto-gentle machines they are to this day...
Funny enough LP120XBTUSB is cheaper than an LP5X where I live, though the opposite is the case I believe in the UK.
 
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Yeh, what lini mentioned is what I would be concerned about, 'proper gain matching', so you don't damage the speakers. I don't know enough about it or your gear to give an informed opinion.

BUT, you really need to get the other channel working or move on.
 
Yeh, what lini mentioned is what I would be concerned about, 'proper gain matching', so you don't damage the speakers. I don't know enough about it or your gear to give an informed opinion.

BUT, you really need to get the other channel working or move on.
I have. I'll try to trade it in for a second hand 1229.
PS: looks like there is more to budget turntables. Fortunately, everyone seems to recommend not to worry too much about it and just get vinyls.
 
I have. I'll try to trade it in for a second hand 1229.
Well good luck with that trade up. They're meant to be nice, I wouldn't know how they compare to a new DD (direct drive). I run an old Lenco idler myself, an old Technics DD and sometimes pull the Rega out out of it's box.

Fortunately, everyone seems to recommend not to worry too much about it and just get vinyls.
I wouldn't say that. Have another read through this thread, there's some worthwhile advice in that regard. If you're stuck on vintage I would say I'm an advocate for looking for a decent used DD, but if you got a line on Duals in your neighbourhood go for it. On the other hand the new turntables offer a lot of nice options plus built in pre so you don't have to mess around with a bunch of separates and that makes a lot of sense for someone's first record player. Like I said lots to choose from, it's just a matter of ticking your boxes. Pick out something nice that suits your needs to start with and you won't have to mess around with it for a long time (if ever).
 
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