DSD is better than PCM!

[kongwee]

Another company that converts CDs to SACDs is Sony Hong Kong. Famous examples would be "80's Hits" & "80's Love". Ironically they cost as much as MSFL SACDs on the market. I think they cost that much is because of the "Sony Tax" (Average people see the Sony name and demand a high price because they think its quality, despite Sony making garbage stuff at times). I remember my local shop selling some tape decks, the cheaply made piano-key analog-counter Dolby B Sony tape deck costed more than the full logic digital-counter Dolby C Pioneer tape deck, both in the same condition btw.

I have Sony TV and it's soundbar. It is safest bet for quality. Sure you have Samsung, JBL and other combination. You really need to spend time on them.

 

[TBone]

Another company that converts CDs to SACDs is Sony Hong Kong. Famous examples would be "80's Hits" & "80's Love". Ironically they cost as much as MSFL SACDs on the market. I think they cost that much is because of the "Sony Tax" (Average people see the Sony name and demand a high price because they think its quality, despite Sony making garbage stuff at times). I remember my local shop selling some tape decks, the cheaply made piano-key analog-counter Dolby B Sony tape deck costed more than the full logic digital-counter Dolby C Pioneer tape deck, both in the same condition ...

Will never forget my time with the orig SonySA777. Couldn't get rid of it, tried to peddle it off to my digital loving friends without much success. Finally found a buyer in vancouver, nobody in toronto wanted it. Still remember how damn heavy it was to lug around, iirc it was ~50pnds, but seemed to weigh much more since unlike my other heavy components (mono amps weigh 78pnds each) they didnt have handles for easier transport/carrying. Unit sounded fine, but nothing special ...

 

[Audioexcellent]

Another company that converts CDs to SACDs is Sony Hong Kong. Famous examples would be "80's Hits" & "80's Love". Ironically they cost as much as MSFL SACDs on the market. I think they cost that much is because of the "Sony Tax" (Average people see the Sony name and demand a high price because they think its quality, despite Sony making garbage stuff at times). I remember my local shop selling some tape decks, the cheaply made piano-key analog-counter Dolby B Sony tape deck costed more than the full logic digital-counter Dolby C Pioneer tape deck, both in the same condition btw.

In terms of upscaling, I use DSEE HX for lossy files, I know people that throw lossless files at it . Is it just adding fake bits? Sure but some MP3's sound really really terrible despite having a good bitrate. I also don't have to worry if I'm "Not listening to the way it was meant to be heard" because the MP3s already destroyed that chance.

I wouldn’t waste time with mp3. Red book CDs, SACDs or DVDs are only spinners i’m interested in. Not interested in MQA either for my own reasons when it comes to streaming.

 

[Audioexcellent]

I wouldn’t waste time with mp3. Red book CDs, SACDs or DVDs are only spinners i’m interested in. Not interested in even owning anything that caters to MQA.

 

[TBone]

I wouldn’t waste time with mp3. Red book CDs, SACDs or DVDs are only spinners i’m interested in. Not interested in MQA either for my own reasons when it comes to streaming.

MQA ... dont get me started ... reminds me when meridian used to place phillips cdp players in there own badged cases, claiming nirvana, and charging XXXtimes more ...

 

[Rottmannash]

DSD as a format intrinsically produces a ton of ultrasonic noise outside of the human auditory range, that's probably what you're thinking of.

PS audio, they're just always wrong about everything. I love SACDs, I have a ton of the shm-sacd's . . . but it's very very hard to pick DSD vs PCM of 96-192khz, I can't reliably distinguish between them
as others have said, often the reason to buy an SACD is that it has a different mastering on it. And multichannel! lots of old quad recordings have been re-released on sacd along with new 5.1 mixes of other things.

I have an Alan Parsons Project CD "On Air" which sounds absolutely wonderful and it is a DDD recording. Does that mean there was no tape utilized?

 

[Audioexcellent]

MQA ... dont get me started ... reminds me when meridian used to place phillips cdp players in there own badged cases, claiming nirvana, and charging XXXtimes more ...

I’m glad if i got you started hoping more people would sound off objecting before the public buys into it causing a loss in availability of the equipment and recordings we already have access to.

 

[kongwee]

MQA ... dont get me started ... reminds me when meridian used to place phillips cdp players in there own badged cases, claiming nirvana, and charging XXXtimes more ...

Phillip CDM transport does found in lot of $10k++ cd player.

 

[ThatM1key]

I have Sony TV and it's soundbar. It is safest bet for quality. Sure you have Samsung, JBL and other combination. You really need to spend time on them.

I can't stand soundbars. I can see somebody using 2.0 but anything over that is a waste. I don't like how you have to give up flexibility & upgradeability for major convenience. So many what ifs, what if the amp dies, what if the speakers die, what if there's a new movie codec, what if I want to use the sb's amp but want better speakers, what if I want a better amp and keep the sb's speakers, what if I want a different brand subwoofer, etc etc.

I wouldn’t waste time with mp3. Red book CDs, SACDs or DVDs are only spinners i’m interested in. Not interested in MQA either for my own reasons when it comes to streaming.

For serious listening, I do listen to well mastered CDs & SACDs. For casual listening, I listen to DSEE HX MP3's, would be nice if SMC supported OGG. I hard to believe MQA is still a thing.

I have an Alan Parsons Project CD "On Air" which sounds absolutely wonderful and it is a DDD recording. Does that mean there was no tape utilized?

No analog at all, pure digital. Ironically I know some 80s that were recorded (the master) at 44.1khz 16bit but I see "96khz 24bit" versions on online web stores . I don't know how they got more info above 22khz, I think it could be upscaling .

 

[TBone]

AParsons on air rec 95/96 so most likely DDD ...

Phillip CDM transport does found in lot of $10k++ cd player.

Not just the transport which r commonly used, they inserted the entire Philips cdp into their own badged cases.

 

[kongwee]

AParsons on air rec 95/96 so most likely DDD ...

Not just the transport which r commonly used, they inserted the entire Philips cdp into their own badged cases.

I dunno. I once heard a rumours, it was better to buy the player in bulk than in component level. Just rip the parts you wanna.

 

[Blumlein 88]

Yes at one time limited suppliers for CD transport mechanisms and they wouldn't really do a run unless it was substantial order which is why these other companies had to base the high end offerings around transports made for Sony or Philips or a few others.

 

[Galliardist]

A higher sampling rate. If done properly. Not trying to start a argument but, take a look at a system Marantz had developed in 2016 to up-convert pcm to dsd. It doesn’t add anything that’s not already there other than to sample existing audio signals more times while eliminating related distortion that had been a problem. I think their technique is called “MMM-Stream”up-sampling to DSD and filtering.

As I said earlier, I own the SA-10 which was the first player to use that technology. It works. There's no need for an argument though. It's just a variation on the D/S theme in practice.

 

[Jim Shaw]

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<sigh> I just knew somebody would troll the Malibu part, and I wrote it just to see whom. And we all know the pristine audio quality for which Bose is so very well blamed.

 

[mansr]

I think nearly all Blue Coast recordings go thru a reel tape stage during mixing.

Blue Coast recordings sound surprisingly good considering all the nonsense she believes in.

 

[mansr]

Yeah but it preserves all that high frequency data no one can hear... ya can't lose that!

Preserves, by encasing it in impenetrable noise.

 

[Blumlein 88]

Blue Coast recordings sound surprisingly good considering all the nonsense she believes in.

I never said otherwise, they do sound good, but there is a whole path of odds thing in getting the product out.

I do think there is merit in her Live in the Studio recording process.

 

[radix]

<sigh> I just knew somebody would troll the Malibu part, and I wrote it just to see whom. And we all know the pristine audio quality for which Bose is so very well blamed.

Guilty. I just had to look at why you singled out the Malibu.

 

[Joe Smith]

Well ... imo ... pcm upsampling should suffice ... we did not need DSD.

The best hi rez remaster ive heard of any classic album is ken scotts ziggy in pcm. It destroys any orig or remaster cd/lp by a healthy margin and measures much higher DR which explains it's appeal. It absolutely kills in my system.

supposedly it was taken from an old unused MC tape ... but other than ziggy ... no other classic recording in any hirez format has met my fancy.

Where is this remaster of Ziggy? Who's the distributor? May need to check out.
Ah, nevermind, I see it's the 40th anniversary version from 2012. Hmmmm.

 

[TBone]

Where is this remaster of Ziggy? Who's the distributor? May need to check out.
Ah, nevermind, I see it's the 40th anniversary version from 2012. Hmmmm.

please do ... recommend without reservation ... easily one of the best classic recordings heard, even when converted to 16/44.

its DR values r excellent, amazing considering the values r generally beyond the reach of most 60/70 recordings. Scott found a gem tape somewhere, his preservation of its dynamic content is admirable.