OP
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That's my thinking as well. About to test parallel load and see if that does any better.
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Douk VU3 VU Meter Review (Updated Version)
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solderdude
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Probably not on purpose.
Fortunately the lowering of SINAD is not in an audible amount.
solderdude
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While you are at it.
Can you determine what voltage level needs to be applied to get the meter to indicate 0dB in the lowest and highest 'sensitivity range' setting ?
1. LOL, no, not on purpose, for sure. I guess we're asking our Chinese friends for a lot out of a 140.00 box? I don't see any US or EU companies trying this!Probably not on purpose.
Fortunately the lowering of SINAD is not in an audible amount.
2. Well, Amir said he wouldn't use it because of that reason.
Isn't he God?
OP
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Well, as we just expected, the VU meter does load the amp down and that causes SINAD to drop even when hooking up the meter in parallel with normal amp/speaker wiring:
Prior to doing that, both channels had a SINAD of 120 dB.
Prior to doing that, both channels had a SINAD of 120 dB.
solderdude
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It would not stand-out/matter if the amp used was not as good as the LA90 but rather your average speaker amp.
Isn't that a lot better though? And, this is just the VU meter connected, not the switch box?Well, as we just expected, the VU meter does load the amp down and that causes SINAD to drop even when hooking up the meter in parallel with normal amp/speaker wiring:
Prior to doing that, both channels had a SINAD of 120 dB.
OP
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Just checked meter accuracy. I set it to 0 dBu. At -5 dB signal level, it reads -3 dB. At -10 dB signal level, it reads -8 dB. Worse yet, the adjustment pot has a massive notch in it. If I try to adjust it up and down, it does nothing for a while and then jumps! It acts almost digital in the way it makes massive jumps. In other words, it is more or a less a range switch and not any kind of linear adjustment.
OP
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You are right. I didn't look at what we were getting before. And yes, this is just the VU meter. No other functionality is available in this mode.
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solderdude
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Well, as we just expected, the VU meter does load the amp down and that causes SINAD to drop even when hooking up the meter in parallel with normal amp/speaker wiring:
Prior to doing that, both channels had a SINAD of 120 dB.
So it is both the (non linear ?) load of the transformer as well as the 8 extra contact points.
What happens when the amp is measured without speaker load (so only the 390 ohm vs the meter as a load) ?
OP
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I see it but can't understand how it is happening.
OP
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- #153
I don't know. I am going to sleep.
It looks like channel one is now transparent, only CH2 dropping 5 SINAD? I wonder why?
OP
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I only connected one channel to the vu meter as to show the difference.
solderdude
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A 5dB drop is better than a 15dB drop so it looks as if about 10dB drop is due to the added contact points and about 5dB may be caused by the circuit applying a non linear load.
Manual FAQ extract :
'Q2: When choose certain functions via remote cotrol, the backlight of VU meter will also flash?
A: This is original design and normal.'
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Sorry to ask again, but how does that compare to the voltage SINAD when the amp is connected to a real speaker rather than a power resistor ?
I can not imagine that a small measurement device with its much higher input impedance can modify the results more than the power hungry speakers.
But it would be good news if I'm wrong !
solderdude
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The changes are extremely small (-115dB) and when the load is not linear, seems to be a transformer which can saturate and have hysteresis, the load it provides is very small compared to a speaker but not neglible. In the order of nV compared to a few V (5W)
To prove that Amir should load the channel with the 390 ohm resistor as well.
Another possibility is the load is linear but the non-linearity comes from the contact materials in the relays.
These relays are designed to be used to switch high power loads, not for small signals.
In any case -115dB vs -120dB is neglible and not audible in any circumstances.
To prove that Amir should load the channel with the 390 ohm resistor as well.
Another possibility is the load is linear but the non-linearity comes from the contact materials in the relays.
These relays are designed to be used to switch high power loads, not for small signals.
In any case -115dB vs -120dB is neglible and not audible in any circumstances.
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