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Does this recording sound like the real thing?

sceptical1

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Listen nearfield, 6ft at 85db, if possible.
Mention what speakers you have.

Beth Hart- I'd Rather Go Blind


Thanks
 
Listening on genelec 8030 +2x subs, a bit closer than you said...

Sounds pretty good to me, at least with the same pros and cons as being at an amplified concert like this. I will say I don't have enough room treatment in my setup to normally get totally fooled by stereo images.

It doesn't sound quite real because I think we're hearing the mix from the board. The vocals and drums are too well balanced for this to be a real concert... ;)
 
I heard this song on a friend's system and was taken aback by the level of realism possible. Instead of the distractions associated with usual stereo listening like the sweet spot, imaging, phantom images, depth(?) or whatever there was a coherent, unified, dynamic, distortionless (in a Linkwitz spatial distortion way?) wavefront of sound that duplicated a front row seat experience at the venue. In other words, we got lucky.

We tried other of her recordings expecting the same. Nope, not even close. It was back to what can be endlessly criticized and thought to be improved if only the soundstage was larger or the dispersion was a little more controlled, etc.

It gets worse. The "revelation system" consists of a brand of speaker noted for unacceptable anechoic frequency response deviations, the kind that can't be tamed in room based on a smoothing of the listening window or off axis listening, not to mention the severe port resonances. In a room with what I would describe as anti-treatment, no carpet, assymetrical, an L shaped wall at the left speaker and open 8 ft to the rear. A half wall 3" behind the right speaker and best of all a 60" TV between and a coffee table all within 2 ft of the speakers. I listened directly in front of the left speaker at the time, too

No problem, let's go over to my place and listen to the same song on my speakers that measure as a Klippel wet dream compared to the friend's, not to mention the room acoustics and at least 10db less background noise.
It did not pan out. The same polite, balanced, unoffensive playback the measurements strive for, not the excitement associated with that one time suspension of disbelief. Try to measure that.

To summarize, it was real and, maybe other than the person who did the recording, no attempt was made by us to make it sound that way.
 
Hmm, sounds amazing and frustrating at the same time. I think this is one of those situations where certain "flaws" align in such a way as to produce a surprisingly realistic effect. Kind of like how trompe l'oeil murals like this look totally convincing, but only when the lighting and perspective are just right:

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Listening to the track again, to me it sounds like a blend of the mixer and some live mics. I guess the balance of direct sound and ambience was JUST RIGHT for that room and speaker to produce an illusion?
 
Rockwiz was/is an Australian Music TV show. A sort of game show with guests who are musicians, they have a house band the "Orkestra" who are pretty tight. They play live on the show with some of the guests. As a special "show" Rockwiz has gone to the Byron Bay Blues festival and recorded some of the acts. At the 2014 festival the band played with Beth Hart and her guitarist, it may have been a one off just for the TV special that showcased the festival. It is likely that as the Rockwiz people are well connected in the industry here that they had more access to the sound system etc.
 
Yes, the randomness of it all is not reassuring.
Yes, that is a very convincing paint job. lol
 
Rockwiz was/is an Australian Music TV show. A sort of game show with guests who are musicians, they have a house band the "Orkestra" who are pretty tight. They play live on the show with some of the guests. As a special "show" Rockwiz has gone to the Byron Bay Blues festival and recorded some of the acts. At the 2014 festival the band played with Beth Hart and her guitarist, it may have been a one off just for the TV special that showcased the festival. It is likely that as the Rockwiz people are well connected in the industry here that they had more access to the sound system etc.
Thanks boswell. What are you hearing on the clip and what speakers?
 
Judging her peformance or the version available on youtube? Using my laptop speakers sounds okay but not particularly great. Maybe I'll try later on my main system....
 
Sometimes I listen to the same song on my system at different times and I get a different impression, from average to absolutely fantastic. Depends on many individual parameters, time of the day, level of stress, probably blood pressure in the ears, if I remember well I saw a study once (sorry no reference) explaining that ears can be sort of ''aroused'' in certain conditions. Now, how much do you like your friend ? ( Just kidding ;) )
 
just listening through logitech 2.1 desktops speakers, sound of clip is very clean, here is another gopro tape of the same performance, you can see the game show set up more, not same sound on a part listen, dont have good ears though, might be volume levels but boomier?, i didnt change
 
I saw this topic a few days ago and thought like Kemmler, a mixtable mix mixed with an ambient mic. but then I saw that no one had in-ear monitors. And the GoPro version now confirms my suspicion: we hear a mix of the table and the loud monitors firing back into the mics. I suspect the guitar player is the one insisting on the loud monitoring lol.
 
but also notice how every time she looks at the guitar player he mic sound changes slightly, cause than her mic is more isolated from the monitors
 
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