Does Op-amp Rolling Work?

[Raiju]

Can you describe how you came to this conclusion? Over a century of research indicate it is actually quite limited. Perhaps I've been studying the wrong materials. Please enlighten me with some references demonstrating these claims you make about human hearing.

Well my point is we still do not know how the human brain works. You might say human hearing is limited because of limited frequency sensitiveness. But what we hear is way more sophisticated than a $$ measuring device can show us. I apply logic and say human brain (most complex structure in universe that we know of) is better than a simple measuring device, no matter how accurate.

 

[voodooless]

I don’t need to know how something works to define it’s performance characteristics.

 

[antcollinet]

Well my point is we still do not know how the human brain works. You might say human hearing is limited because of limited frequency sensitiveness. But what we hear is way more sophisticated than a $$ measuring device can show us. I apply logic and say human brain (most complex structure in universe that we know of) is better than a simple measuring device, no matter how accurate.

The brain isn't a measuring device - it is a processing device.

Before it can process anything, it has to get it from the senses, which *are* the measuring devices - such as the ear. The ear is not that complex - we understand how it works. We know its limitations. We know what it can detect, and more importantly what it can't.

 

[Raiju]

The brain isn't a measuring device - it is a processing device.

Before it can process anything, it has to get it from the senses, which *are* the measuring devices - such as the ear. The ear is not that complex - we understand how it works. We know its limitations. We know what it can detect, and more importantly what it can't.

You know shit, "the ear is not that complex" seriously?

sorry about my language.

 

[Bruce Morgen]

Well my point is we still do not know how the human brain works. You might say human hearing is limited because of limited frequency sensitiveness. But what we hear is way more sophisticated than a $$ measuring device can show us. I apply logic and say human brain (most complex structure in universe that we know of) is better than a simple measuring device, no matter how accurate.

What the human brain is "better at" is making $hit up based on sensory input as interpreted via personal quirks and preferences. No two human brains are identical physiologically (genetic conditioning) or psychologically (environmental conditioning), making subjective, non-quantifiable human observations definitionally less than reliable as data when evaluating audio gear.

 

[solderdude]

I apply logic and say human brain (most complex structure in universe that we know of) is better than a simple measuring device, no matter how accurate.

Where is the evidence ?

 

[antcollinet]

You know shit, "the ear is not that complex" seriously?

sorry about my language.

Relative to the brain - it is trivially simple. I was referring to your statement seemed to be muddying the water between brain complexity and "hearing" complexity.

And if you are sorry about your language - simply remove it. The fact that you don't suggests you are not very sorry.

 

[Raiju]

Where is the evidence ?

my brain

 

[antcollinet]

my brain

Seems to be sadly lacking in anything - let alone evidence.

 

[voodooless]

All of this just sounds like the classical audiophile of the gaps argument.

 

[Raiju]

my brain > rest of you

 

[voodooless]

my brain > rest of you

At making up nonsense… maybe. I’m sure others are even better at it

 

[solderdude]

my brain

 

[MAB]

Well my point is we still do not know how the human brain works. You might say human hearing is limited because of limited frequency sensitiveness. But what we hear is way more sophisticated than a $$ measuring device can show us. I apply logic and say human brain (most complex structure in universe that we know of) is better than a simple measuring device, no matter how accurate.

OK, I was hoping you had some awesome research or other evidence to support your claim. Too bad, you are just guessing. I was looking forward to learning something.

my brain > rest of you

But now realize...

 

[Raiju]

I am leaving this thread but I will say biology>rest of you

 

[antcollinet]

I am leaving this thread ...

Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

 

[solderdude]

I am leaving this thread


It would have been better if you came with arguments or proof (controlled and witnessed listening tests) that were backed up somehow in any other way than your opinion.

Now all you have is your opinion and you did not manage to prove/argue why an op-amp should sound different despite the electrical output being the same.

 

[HoweSound]

You know shit, "the ear is not that complex" seriously?

sorry about my language.

The brain is excellent at processing information and extrapolating from available data to fill in the blanks from sensory inputs. For example, the optic nerve attachment to the retina creates a large "blind spot" in our field of vision, yet we are generally unaware of the missing information (until we collide with a bicyclist that we didn't see). The ear is a relatively crude transducer - think of a $5 microphone plugged into a $5,000,000 Cray computer. I diagnose this as a case of opamp OCD.

 

[Raiju]

It would have been better if you came with arguments that were backed up somehow in any other way than your opinion.
Now all you have is an opinion and did not manage to prove why an op-amp should sound different despite the electrical output being the same.

dude i hear difference between op 1656 and 1612, but this is wrong site for me, my ears that matter to me.

 

[voodooless]

dude i hear difference between op 1656 and 1612, but this is wrong site for me, my ears that matter to me.

Then if should be trivial to produce some evidence?