Does Imagination play a role in how we enjoy Sound Stage?

[goat76]

Here's the mics and the mic trees:

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We can see at least 4 of them over the audience in front of the (extended) stage.
It's not always mixed but in the case they want to include the live "feeling" they have that too.

Yes, but they also said they use those microphones for surround channels in Atmos mixes, if I remember it correctly.

One of the most interesting things in the video is watching the recording matrix and some short view of the mix.

I’m not that much into classical music, but I will continue to watch that video when I get time as I’m interested in recording and mixing (rock) music myself.

An interesting thing they mentioned they often do is punch-ins for playing faults in the recorded live performance. They do it just like engineers would do it in pop and rock productions re-recording single instruments and changing out the failing parts. I was a bit surprised to hear that as I didn't know that was also a common thing for classical recordings as well.

 

[Sokel]

An interesting thing they mentioned they often do is punch-ins for playing faults in the recorded live performance. They do it just like engineers would do it in pop and rock productions re-recording single instruments and changing out the failing parts. I was a bit surprised to hear that as I didn't know that was also a common thing for classical recordings as well.

If 3-4 people playing can fail,imagine 50!
And it's not only about wrong strokes,it's about chair noises,coughs.etc.
Pretty standard.

 

[PAugello]

I used to work on Wall Street and found that there were lunchtime classical music concerts at Trinity Church twice a week. I started going religiously and would sit up front and listen with my eyes closed. I was amazed at how discerning my hearing became with a little training and how three dimensional my hearing became.
As I was able to open my eyes and correlate what I heard with the actual physical layout my perception of distance and position became extremely precise. I'm quite sure that I could hit the singer in the forehead with a tennis ball with my eyes closed.
The point that I'm trying to make is that a reproduced soundstage is an imitation of a real capability. Presumably, two different listeners should interpret an real live event the same, as it actually is. Some people are better at it than others, either by capability or practice, but they should hear the same thing.
So, I would expect them to interpret a synthetic soundstage the same, at least to their individual capacity.

Pete

 

[theREALdotnet]

The point that I'm trying to make is that a reproduced soundstage is an imitation of a real capability. Presumably, two different listeners should interpret an real live event the same, as it actually is. Some people are better at it than others, either by capability or practice, but they should hear the same thing.
So, I would expect them to interpret a synthetic soundstage the same, at least to their individual capacity.

Very well put. This is exactly what we should strive for, despite the incessant talk about it all being imagined, nobody knowing anything about the recordist's intent or there being no original to measure up to.

 

[PAugello]

Very well put. This is exactly what we should strive for, despite the incessant talk about it all being imagined, nobody knowing anything about the recordist's intent or there being no original to measure up to.

Thanks.
I realized that the old saw about blind people having great hearing is probably because they listen, carefully, all the time.
I started listening with my eyes closed and quickly learned how much better I can hear that way. I think that our brains are so wired for vision that even though they are different parts of the brain I can't really pay attention to the fine details of what I hear when my eyes are shouting over my ears. When I'm listening to my stereo it's very difficult to really interpret the virtual sound stage if my eyes keep reminding me that it's not real!
When I close my eyes I am much more convincingly transported out of my room.

Pete

 

[Holmz]

I used to work on Wall Street and found that there were lunchtime classical music concerts at Trinity Church twice a week. I started going religiously

How else would one go to church?

and would sit up front and listen with my eyes closed. I was amazed at how discerning my hearing became with a little training and how three dimensional my hearing became.
As I was able to open my eyes and correlate what I heard with the actual physical layout my perception of distance and position became extremely precise. I'm quite sure that I could hit the singer in the forehead with a tennis ball with my eyes closed.
The point that I'm trying to make is that a reproduced soundstage is an imitation of a real capability. Presumably, two different listeners should interpret an real live event the same, as it actually is. Some people are better at it than others, either by capability or practice, but they should hear the same thing.
So, I would expect them to interpret a synthetic soundstage the same, at least to their individual capacity.

Pete

Yeah - I would expect that people largely get to the point where they can point to the singers and player, and then do the same with their eyes shut.
If one is blind, then it get more important to be able to have a model of the world inside of one’s head, based upon the sounds.

 

[PAugello]

If one is blind, then it get more important to be able to have a model of the world inside of one’s head, based upon the sounds.

I know that virtually anyone can easily tell whether they are in a phone booth or an auditorium from the sound of their own voice. I wouldn't be surprised if many blind people have a pretty good idea of the size of the room and perhaps an impression of where the walls are, just from the sound of their voice.
I've never known anyone who is blind so I have never asked.

Pete

 

[Holmz]

I know that virtually anyone can easily tell whether they are in a phone booth or an auditorium from the sound of their own voice. I wouldn't be surprised if many blind people have a pretty good idea of the size of the room and perhaps an impression of where the walls are, just from the sound of their voice.
I've never known anyone who is blind so I have never asked.

Pete

Yeah Pete - it more of a case of the concept that “everyone’s ears are different”.
Which you did not say, but which is often heard.
The reality is that people eyes see generally the same things, and people ears hear the same things.

The way some people phrase things, almost seems like one can listen to Taylor Swift and hear Bob Dylan.
These are usually made by people that know that they are golden eared.

It may not be “Imagination” playing a role, but how we have an internal model of reality that fits the external “true” reality.
I guess we can call it imagination, because we are fitting an image.

 

[Dialectic]