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Does dual sub matter if both subs have equal dips/peaks in REW room sim?

This however brings out an additional question.
Downstairs I have a Wiim Amp Pro with a subwoofer out. The sound so far is really excellent on my current setup.
I could 'downgrade' my setup (Wiim Pro + MiniDSP flex + Hypex nCore 252MP) using the Wiim Amp Pro (much more simple). But then I would have to set the sub delay as one for both subs (different subs on different locations). But, since I cross over at 80 Hz, is that really relevant (to time allign both subwoofers invidiually to the mains)?
Whenever I start reading I get confused by the physics. If the effect is really small, I might give it a try.
Good to hear you are seeing success with multiple subs - it really works if done properly!

Generally if you put two subs only along the front wall, their horizontal separation will help to smooth out the room modes that are transverse in the room (i.e. bouncing between side wall to side wall) but you will not see much of an improvement in the smoothness in the room modes that are longitudinal (i.e. caused by the sounds waves bouncing between the front and rear walls of the room). This is because both subs along the front wall should be time aligned properly with the front LCR speakers, and as such will likely be very closely time aligned to each other and this means that they will both be exciting the same longitudinal modes at the same time, causing greater peaks and troughs. This isn't necessarily the worst thing ever as the peaks can be easily knocked down with the same PEQ in either a DSP or a Receiver, and you gain substantial efficiency of the subs adding their signals together (close to 6dB of output if you get the level and time alignment just right).

That said, most find a better setup when the 2 subs are not at the same depth in the room as you can use a small amount of delay and/or all pass filters to get the subs to add together nicely and be in close to perfect time alignment, but they are not all exciting the same room modes equally which naturally reduces the variability in the Main Listening Position response variation and the seat-to-seat variation - both if which is highly desirable and can sound great. The 2 opposite diagonals works well in many cases, or a corner and along a side or rear wall is good too, or a corner and a near field right beside or behind your seating position can be a lot of fun too.

If you haven't done so already, since you have a MiniDSP, you may want to explore using MSO to really dial in your subs to perfection and get the most of your setup. I've posted a video tutorial for MSO on Youtube - link in my sig below, if you are interested. It's an amazingly powerful and useful tool if you want to get a great understanding of what your bass is doing and how to optimize multiple subs together, though admittedly has a bit of a learning curve.
 
@Geertidow I will be the heretic here and say that it will be just fine if you have access to EQ (which I believe the Wiim Amp Pro has?), even if you have to EQ them as one. You are not likely to have big issues with phase/timing.
 
So these are three measurments: mains and sub alligned, only mains alligned and nothing alligned (using REW).
Any thoughts? Is one clearly better?

This is with a crossover at 80 Hz (LR24) which sounds best to my ears.

If I play a a tone of 80Hz (XO frequency) and measure the loudness at MLP I get:
Full allignment (subs and mains): 82 dB
Allignment of mains: 81 dB
No allignment: 71 dB

Happy to hear your thoughts

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I don't know what you are trying to show here, it looks like a subwoofer with no mains speakers. If there ARE main speakers in there and you cut off your measurement at 500Hz then your sub is way too loud. Also, please give your graphs proper names, don't name all 3 of them "L+R jun 5". Please read this and check back in.
 
Oke here is a sweep from 20 - 500 Hz (since I only want to set the bass right) through all speakers
I justed wanted to see what the effect was on the crossover/lower region.
I also renamed the graphs in the file, I see that was confusing.

Afterwards I let DIRAC dial down the subs. That has worked pretty well.
But a lot more work is to be done.

I maybe should first level match the subs and then measure DIRAC.
 

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Do you have a crossover active here, or not? Are the subs and mains playing all the way down?
 
Do you have a crossover active here, or not? Are the subs and mains playing all the way down?
Crossover at 80 hz, 24 db/oct.
And yes after this Iet DIRAC do all the work. But I only have DIRAC stereo (no bass control) so I have to set the delay and xo's myself
 
Crossover at 80 hz, 24 db/oct.
And yes after this Iet DIRAC do all the work. But I only have DIRAC stereo (no bass control) so I have to set the delay and xo's myself

Feels a bit like the one that says "subs and mains time aligned" looks worst. :) I would suggest screw the time alignment and let Dirac run on the "nothing aligned"-variant. Can you upload the MDAT again with the correct name for each graph?
 
I'll upload some better files soon! I'll name them properly.
 
Hi fellow forum members,

Soon I have the options to go dual sub. However, placement is fixed in both corners.

Room sim (REW) does not show big differences between the dips/peaks between one and two subs (left and right front corner).

Since the MLP is in a super position (approximately in the middle of a big room (7 m x 10 m)), would upgrading to 2 subs matter a lot?

They'll be supporting two KEF R3 Metas.

Thanks for your input!
Move one of the 2 subs to the OPPOSITE corner of the 1st one. Does it improve your dips (assuming your MLP is not exactly in the middle of the room)?
 
What DSP setup are you using?

Take these measurements from MLP (and using a proper microphone stand, NOT a mini stand, and no furniture in the way!):

1. Each subwoofer by itself WITH XO applied
2. Each speaker by itself WITH XO applied, all the way up to 20kHz

Label them properly and upload them.
 
Move one of the 2 subs to the OPPOSITE corner of the 1st one. Does it improve your dips (assuming your MLP is not exactly in the middle of the room)?
Correct, and it does very much correct dips
 
What DSP setup are you using?

Take these measurements from MLP (and using a proper microphone stand, NOT a mini stand, and no furniture in the way!):

1. Each subwoofer by itself WITH XO applied
2. Each speaker by itself WITH XO applied, all the way up to 20kHz

Label them properly and upload them.
Give me a few days!
 
What DSP setup are you using?

Take these measurements from MLP (and using a proper microphone stand, NOT a mini stand, and no furniture in the way!):

1. Each subwoofer by itself WITH XO applied
2. Each speaker by itself WITH XO applied, all the way up to 20kHz

Label them properly and upload them.
See attachment, I redid the whole workup and level matched all subwoofers to the mains.

Edit: added full range sweep
 

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Although again after implementing DIRAC the bass response is gone. I had this before so I should be able to fix thix
 

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Although again after implementing DIRAC the bass response is gone. I had this before so I should be able to fix thix

Looks a bit like the subs aren't active with DIRAC. Are you sure they're outputting anything?
 
If I split the subs in left and right then it works. Not sure what happens if you route L+R through both subs.
I still see a dip from 100-200 Hz but for know it works good enough.
 

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