Streaming is a no-no as it uses more battery on portable devices. Besides, there's a chance of things getting removed from the service whilst my FLAC/mp3/wave files will sort of be there forever (I have backups on external hdd)
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Do you mainly stream music or own it?
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My goodness, another ad hominem and strawman attack.
Where on earth did I say sell audio gear or any of the other above nonsense? Please show the quote where I said sell audio gear, whistle or whatever other total gibberish you just stated?
Instead of making up the above listed items how about answering these questions yes or no:
Are automatic investing programs like 401K’s a good way to accumulate wealth?
When you spend money do you lose the opportunity to invest it?
Do automatic spending plans like music and video streaming services, software subscriptions, car payments, etc make it easy to spend money?
Are “low monthly payments for life” a myth because those opportunity costs are tremendous?
Are many Americans without sufficient retirement savings?
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What's pathetic here? Face it, there are certain crimes that won't be investigated. The kind of Illegal downloading you're all up in arms about is generally ignored by the RIAA, mainly because [as previously indicated] the laws concerning this "crime" are nowhere near as black or white as you want them to be. That's why's there's courts and lawyers and legal disagreements and unexpected outcomes in court. That's why RIAA can lose cases and that's why RIAA doesn't pursue certain cases.Pathetic
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You are arguing about universal laws and their validity on an audio forum. That is what I call pathetic.
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What "Universal Laws"?
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Property rights are foundational to a functional society.
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Back in the napster etc days I always viewed it as essentially stealing (still do).
The biggest upside to this is that at least I don't have old hard drives sitting around filled with a gazillion crappy compressed mp3s
The biggest upside to this is that at least I don't have old hard drives sitting around filled with a gazillion crappy compressed mp3s
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“Death and taxes”
You don't know what ad hominem means, do you?
You don't understand reductio ad absurdum either?
I address the economics at post #180. You are banging on about opportunity cost. It isn't a difficult concept, certainly not worth hyperventilating about.
The retirement planning issue you raise isn't regular outgoings (on music) per se, but failing to maintain regular saving. As the thread topic is streaming (or not) and not retirement planning, consider that previously I purchased a few CDs each month. But I spent more than the monthly payment for Apple Music that covers things now. Both options (and numerous other strategies, except for piracy) involved spending disposable income to listen to new music. Using the assumptions and costing from that post, the difference between buying 3 CDs a month for 50 years vs a streaming subscription for the same time is AUD $44,000 in favour of streaming. I'm also unsure where enjoyment of music without incurring opportunity cost fits in to your plan: radio?
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This is not OT but it is a PSA:
It relates to the current Lawsuit (temporarily dismissed) against Nirvana "Nevermind" album cover.
It is strongly suggested that anyone who is in the "Own It" group immediately purge this LP/CD cover from their collection.
It relates to the current Lawsuit (temporarily dismissed) against Nirvana "Nevermind" album cover.
It is strongly suggested that anyone who is in the "Own It" group immediately purge this LP/CD cover from their collection.
Further reading (for/by the guilty parties) can be accessed at this link.
That's a bit much. Assuming that your current social context is "universal" could also be called pathetic. I'd just call it ignorant/ahistorical.
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So performing an illegal act is OK so long as you don't get caught and punished? Face it, acting unethically makes one unethical, even if you don't get caught.
Law ≠ morality.
Let’s get back on topic and be rather civil to one another. It’s just a Forum and remember we are here to have fun and possibly learn. Please and thank you!
Seems like $10/month to get access to 70 million titles in CD/Hi Rez is very thrifty way to enjoy music. The hardware for good sound far exceeds that 10 year investment for most people here.
This world would be more crazy if every law was literally followed. In Oklahoma you can go to jail for making ugly face at a dog and In Kansas you can go to jail for collecting rain water.
In terms of flac 44/16 streaming. When I do that sometimes I like to pull the files and see if its been right with CueTool's database compare. Most of the time I get a "disk not present in database". Once in a blue moon, I'll get a hit but half of that time, the disc was ripped with samples missing. I even seen Deezer have fake flac's on there site. I wish those streaming services FLACs would come with a rip log or something.
In terms of flac 44/16 streaming. When I do that sometimes I like to pull the files and see if its been right with CueTool's database compare. Most of the time I get a "disk not present in database". Once in a blue moon, I'll get a hit but half of that time, the disc was ripped with samples missing. I even seen Deezer have fake flac's on there site. I wish those streaming services FLACs would come with a rip log or something.
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Obviously we all have our different experiences with how technology is working for us. But I have to say for all the convenience, streaming has often had me pulling my hair out in terms of reliability. My raspberry Pi/Squeeze-box based server is constantly being temperamental "maybe I'll play song..maybe I won't. Today Tidal is working...tomorrow..nope! Remember that internet station you like? Won't play it anymore. Sorry."
Oh, and some of those albums/artists you had in your favourites? Tidal doesn't have 'em anymore. And you want to search for an early album of that artist? Sorry, we only have the later most popular albums they put out.
So I turn to my Sonos based smart speaker and app in the Kitchen for background listening. Except the same sh*t keeps happening - just randomly refusing to play certain favorite stations etc. And will it hear me when I ask it to turn up, or down, or off? Maybe. Maybe not.
Yesterday I asked nicely and it turned on. Today, I may be shouting to the point of cursing out the poor speaker. Never know.
Whereas I go to my turntable, place a record on and the damn thing just works. I feel suddenly released from the complexities of the digital world.
(Which also reminds me of when I drive our different cars. One has the old school analog controls and obvious volume, station changing dials etc, the other the newfangled "Entertainment Center" screen, which is just an ergonomic monstrosity to operate).
Oh, and some of those albums/artists you had in your favourites? Tidal doesn't have 'em anymore. And you want to search for an early album of that artist? Sorry, we only have the later most popular albums they put out.
So I turn to my Sonos based smart speaker and app in the Kitchen for background listening. Except the same sh*t keeps happening - just randomly refusing to play certain favorite stations etc. And will it hear me when I ask it to turn up, or down, or off? Maybe. Maybe not.
Yesterday I asked nicely and it turned on. Today, I may be shouting to the point of cursing out the poor speaker. Never know.
Whereas I go to my turntable, place a record on and the damn thing just works. I feel suddenly released from the complexities of the digital world.
(Which also reminds me of when I drive our different cars. One has the old school analog controls and obvious volume, station changing dials etc, the other the newfangled "Entertainment Center" screen, which is just an ergonomic monstrosity to operate).
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