Do You know Anyone Who Doesn’t Like Music?

[Mart68]

I wonder if birds have the same feel for music as humans do in the sense that they could appreciate kinds of music that is different from what they make. As an example, could a robin enjoy a blue jay's sound?

They're all trying to transmit in their own codes on the same channel at the same time.

I suppose they must have the ability to isolate the calls they are interested in from the general cacophony. Maybe they don't even perceive the calls of birds not from their species?

 

[Ropeburn]

What happened here?

 

[Ropeburn]

They're all trying to transmit in their own codes on the same channel at the same time.

I suppose they must have the ability to isolate the calls they are interested in from the general cacophony. Maybe they don't even perceive the calls of birds not from their species?

I bet they do perceive it all because it's all within their hearing capability, but similarly to us isolating single voices in a crowd, their brains try finding timbre and melody and rhythm patterns specific to their species.

What I find interesting and would like to know, is what happens when birds imitate others, or even human sounds. Corvids and others can do that. City birds replicating common phone ringtones for example. They learn a musical phrase including both melody and rhythm, and replicate it! Why?

 

[egellings]

They're all crazy, that's why! Never met a sane bird in my entire life. But, hey, if you can fly, who cares if you're crazy?

 

[xanalog]

...when as far as I know only humans and birds have any concept of music.

How interesting?!
I had never thought of this angle!
Thank you for perking my ears.

So, does that mean that those videos -of monkeys listening to BeastieBoys w/headphones- are fake?

 

[Mart68]

I bet they do perceive it all because it's all within their hearing capability, but similarly to us isolating single voices in a crowd, their brains try finding timbre and melody and rhythm patterns specific to their species.

What I find interesting and would like to know, is what happens when birds imitate others, or even human sounds. Corvids and others can do that. City birds replicating common phone ringtones for example. They learn a musical phrase including both melody and rhythm, and replicate it! Why?

It's a good question, must be some evolutionary reason.

Parrots puzzle me too. I worked with a bloke who was some sort of expert on birds, he would be on the TV and radio when there was bird flu or some other avian-related news.

He had a parrot called Kevin that was especially foul-mouthed. If you called him you would hear it profaning in the background. He blamed that on his son-in-law. What was interesting was that what the parrot said (it didn't just curse) seemed to relate directly to whatever was occurring, rather than just being random.

I suppose it could just be similar to the 'Clever Hans' effect but it was uncanny.

 

[Ropeburn]

It's a good question, must be some evolutionary reason.

Parrots puzzle me too. I worked with a bloke who was some sort of expert on birds, he would be on the TV and radio when there was bird flu or some other avian-related news.

He had a parrot called Kevin that was especially foul-mouthed. If you called him you would hear it profaning in the background. He blamed that on his son-in-law. What was interesting was that what the parrot said (it didn't just curse) seemed to relate directly to whatever was occurring, rather than just being random.

I suppose it could just be similar to the 'Clever Hans' effect but it was uncanny.

I bet it's more than just what Hans did, reading body language and watching people's reactions closely.

As smart as parrots and other birds are, they must be capable of getting the meaning of words at least to some extent. It isn't all too complicated making simple connections between words and social situations. Basic mental categories and terms are perfectly within their capabilities. They must know what a greeting is, or an insult, or a big person vs a smaller one, and that "fat" is the right word for it. Result: parrot says "Hello fatso".

Mostly speculating of course. It's easy to overestimate, but even easier to underestimate them. They're on the mental level of our children.

 

[Karmacoma]

I think to seal the debate about bird songs it'd be appropriate to invoke a german philosopher.

You're welcome

 

[EJ3]

I think to seal the debate about bird songs it'd be appropriate to invoke a german philosopher.

You're welcome

Perhaps the birds songs are painful to his ears. I admit, the 17 years that I lived in Saipan (which pretty much only has migratory birds (as most, if not all, local birds where eaten up during WWII) was quieter on the bird song front. I did not really realize how much so until I started spending time on various mainland's again. The quiet was not something that I noticed initially (I came to like it, actually).

 

[Karmacoma]

Perhaps the birds songs are painful to his ears. I admit, the 17 years that I lived in Saipan (which pretty much only has migratory birds (as most, if not all, local birds where eaten up during WWII) was quieter on the bird song front. I did not really realize how much so until I started spending time on various mainland's again. The quiet was not something that I noticed initially (I cane to like it, actually).

I think his problem is he got bottle-fed with Nietzsche as a kid.

 

[Mart68]

I think his problem is he got bottle-fed with Nietzsche as a kid.

He looks and sounds like a young Hans Gruber.

 

[Ropeburn]

How perfect is this dude? If you ever wonder how Germans think, watch it again, or recommend it to others. You can see the existential dread in his eyes, but he still loves the jungle.
No matter whether this is satire (if so, it's brilliant), it couldn't be more German deep in its soul. Haha!

 

[KenMasters]

How perfect is this dude? If you ever wonder how Germans think, watch it again, or recommend it to others. You can see the existential dread in his eyes, but he still loves the jungle.
No matter whether this is satire (if so, it's brilliant), it couldn't be more German deep in its soul. Haha!

It’s Werner Herzog, rather famous director, actor, author etc. and that’s just the way he is (not helped by the interview being shot during an infamously torturous film production). He has been parodied in film and TV.

Currently there’s a popular hip-hop track who’s hook sees John Legend singing the quote:

 

[Audiofire]

No matter whether this is satire (if so, it's brilliant), it couldn't be more German deep in its soul. Haha!

This one even too with an inkling on language and the meaning of life, vileness of human emotion, harmony, communication or whatever:

 

[Ropeburn]

This one even too with an inkling on language and the meaning of life, vileness of human emotion, harmony, communication or whatever:

Ahh, NOW I know where I know him from. He's the imperial client in The Mandalorian! What brilliant casting that was. Nobody can deliver musings about the glory of the empire and "the natural order of things" better and more subtly terrifying than him.

 

[Hal_01]

My two cats ate all the Local Birds. They are just too good. So unfortunately I dont have many if any Bird like audio opinions to sample.

 

[Karmacoma]

Ahh, NOW I know where I know him from. He's the imperial client in The Mandalorian! What brilliant casting that was. Nobody can deliver musings about the glory of the empire and "the natural order of things" better and more subtly terrifying than him.

Daaaaaaamn never realised that ! Werner Herzog in the mandalorian what a totally bonkers cameo ! Now I wanna watch the épisodes again there must be some hidden references.

 

[EJ3]

My two cats ate all the Local Birds. They are just too good. So unfortunately I dont have many if any Bird like audio opinions to sample.

I knew that there had to be a use for a good cat. (It's difficult to keep them occupied).

 

[MattHooper]

I think to seal the debate about bird songs it'd be appropriate to invoke a german philosopher.

You're welcome

 

[PristineSound]

Does anybody know somebody who doesn’t like music?

I read this some time ago, I forget the source. . .but according to science humans are the only living species in this world who are able to decipher music as music (meaning there is a cultural significance and it's enjoyable) vs all other animals decipher music as noise or sound and some as patterns of sound. This has to do with the way how our brains are wired.

Having said that, I don't think it's physically possible for a human being to not enjoy (even to a minimal degree) music at all. Maybe they don't enjoy listening to it often, but to absolutely not like music, I simply don't think it humanly possible.