Do you hear a difference with DAC filters?

[SIY]

i would not be able to detect it blinded

If you need to peek, you can’t hear it.

 

[NTK]

….but nonetheless: most of these filters did not do any difference for me but the slow versions did....

The "slow" filters usually have earlier high frequency roll off within the audible band, and can therefore be audibly different from the "fast" filters, which are usually flat to 20 kHz.

 

[Mnyb]

yes the "bad" filters do make a difference for some listeners on some material .

But it's also trivial for the designer to set the filter at the choice that makes a proper DA conversions . It's actually not a matter of taste in the bewildering array of possible settings there is a theoretically proper option, you can mathematically determine how this should be done .

ESS and AKM did start this by offering these options , the sole purpose is to dazzle the consumers pure marketing fluff .

 

[VientoB]

I wish they wouldn't give so many filters as it's not something I have any interest in changing. Better filters would be be nice, though just from a technical standpoint.

 

[Killingbeans]

Better filters would be be nice, though just from a technical standpoint.

Sounds like you should stick with Chord then. They are the undisputed king of overkill reconstuction filters.

 

[VientoB]

Sounds like you should stick with Chord then. They are the undisputed king of overkill reconstuction filters.

No I have switched to Topping. Chord balls are annoying and Chord are overly expensive and don't measure as well in other areas.

 

[Raketenpubs]

hi there, since some of you were just clowning me down i do not write this as a reply but rather for some ppl who might end up here just as i did. so, i do not have any audiophile backround. i did not even know the meaning of any of the filter descriptions. and for the first 30 mins or so i just thoight that the guyys who built the device were laughing their asses of because all that was switched was just happening on the display…but after now 10h of intense listening i came to the conclusion that the one filter that made a real difference for me was mini slow. so since most pol here seem to think i am an clown costumer falling for marketing bla, i decided to try to understand what the words behind the filternames meant. so did not have any marketing i formation beforehand at all. i just found this particular filter to be more relaxed to listen to and more present and full without the somehow aggressive feeling of „fast“. remember, i did not even know what that meant.
then today i did so e research and tried to understand the meaning behind the words and read about what other ppl might report on their listening experiences. and again, it super correlated with my experience and it does not seem impossible to hear differences after at least understanding the technicality to a very reduced degree.
i am making music on a semiprofessional level now for 20 years and now i am not that surprised anymore that there is something going on that i can percieve. then i tried to check my wife who is not interested in any of that stuff or music at all. fun fact: she said basically the same stuff after listening to some examples (i had to blackmail her to do it i did not inform her on my oppinion. she basically went along the line that one condition was more stressful to her ears whilst the other being more relaxed.
so i guess there might be something going pn which can be percieved. you can go on and clown me but as i meantioned: if someone reads this being insecure wether or not he should invest some time checking out his feeling about these things i would advice him not to be discouraged by being told that he has fallen for marketing (of which he might not have even herad of…)
roger. over and out.

 

[SIY]

but after now 10h of intense listening

Did you use any basic controls?

 

[SIY]

then i tried to check my wife who is not interested in any of that stuff or music at all.

Ahhh, one of the classics. Well done, sir, well done!

 

[JustJones]

she said basically the same stuff after listening to some examples (i had to blackmail her to do it i did not inform her on my oppinion. she basically went along the line that one condition was more stressful to her ears whilst the other being more relaxed.

Since you had to blackmail her I imagine she agreed with the one sucks the other is great to get you to shut up as she's probably been listening to you complain till she's ready to toss a pie at you.

 

[Raketenpubs]

bro. i do not know your agenda. but you obviously adhere to it. so you may.

 

[JustJones]

bro. i do not know your agenda. but you obviously adhere to it. so you may.

You're the one with an agenda. Why else come to a science oriented forum babbling nonsense about hearing stuff without even attempting basic controls. Go troll somewhere else.

 

[Raketenpubs]

Why else

exactly.

 

[JustJones]

exactly.

Correct , adios

 

[olds1959special]

I can hear a difference with DAC filters. I was using linear phase, fast roll off but then my systems changed and I wanted something less 'bright' and 'fatiguing'. I like linear phase slow roll-off with my Vandersteen speakers and linear phase apodizing fast roll-off with my Elac's in near field.

 

[SIY]

I can hear a difference with DAC filters. I was using linear phase, fast roll off but then my systems changed and I wanted something less 'bright' and 'fatiguing'. I like linear phase slow roll-off with my Vandersteen speakers and linear phase apodizing fast roll-off with my Elac's in near field.

Should I even bother asking about what controls you used to determine the audible differences?

Nah. Res ipsa loquitur.

 

[Liberal Democracy]

Res ipsa loquitur.

Ha ha , im stealing this one .

 

[SIY]

i tried to check my wife who is not interested in any of that stuff or music at all.

Always go with the classics.

i came to the conclusion that the one filter that made a real difference for me was mini slow

In a lot of not-great designs, that sort of filter rolls off the treble slightly. If you actually hear anything, it's a frequency response issue, and you can get the same effect from turning the treble down a notch,.

 

[VientoB]

"my wife could hear the difference from the kitchen"

 

[olds1959special]

I've decided the linear phase slow filter is noticeably less fatiguing and therefore preferable to the linear phase fast filter.