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Do Audio Speakers Break-in?

I'm sorry but I simply won't backtrack to prove anything. It's just going in circles. It's a waste of time as I'm sure if I will you will just point out some "mistake" and here goes the arguments that has been written before once again. I know it, you know it. You just want me to link the posts so you can point out how obviously faulty they are.
No bite here..
@Holdt It seems you didn't read a single post I made, and either didn't read, didn't understand, or are completely misrepresenting this thread.:mad:

The two experiments I did to try to show you what really happens when a driver is subject to stress, and that environmental (small changes in room temperature and a light breeze) have a much larger effect. You couldn't even lift a finger to tell us where all these supposed tests verifying your position exist, because they don't exist.:mad:


One of my goals here is to try to prevent people from following your lead. All of these video's on YouTube of people 'breaking in' their drivers with max excursion stress for tens of hours is people wearing their new gear out. I am pretty sure you didn't read the Klippel post about stressing a driver to fail, that's what your corner of the internet is doing. People buy speakers, read your unsupported and non-scientific screed, and go wear them out before they even listen. Because of a phenomena that isn't even dimly what they think it is.:facepalm:

Lastly, you didn't even lift a finger to support your argument, instead challenging people to look for non-existent proof among 1400 posts, even belittling them for being non-scientific.:mad:
 
I hadn't seen this thread until now, so I apologize if someone already uploaded this, because it would take too long to read all the content.
I remembered that many years ago there was an audio page in which to "clarify" about the shooting of the speakers they consulted by mail with the manufacturers of many famous brands of speakers.
I didn't remember the name of the page but they gave you a choice between the blue or the red pill, so I finally found it.
Among many other responses, (some surprising) this was JBL's response:
"We must not force the cones to roll through any signal, the only thing we will achieve is shorten their life and make them have colorations."

https://www.matrixhifi.com/marco_directazul.htm

=> el rincón => rodaje de altavoces => english version
 
Another interesting test from 2018 that was mentioned at the very beginning of this thread... rtings.com did a fairly comprehensive headphone Break In test:
They measured frequency response and distortion from t=0 to t=120 hours on four different headphones!
The test applied doesn't appear to be a stress to fail (90dB with a 10 minute cool-down every hour).
They admit and provide explanations for the THD run to run variation and the THD outlier, which I appreciate.
This appears to be a very thoughtful test... another four speakers that all show negligible changes in response and even distortion as the drivers age.
 
I have no real qualifications to hang my opinion on but, besides lack of significant measured changes of assembled loudspeakers, our ability to perceive any minute changes of break-in are outweighed by:

1. Not listening in the exact same spot
2. Having different biochemistry hour-to-hour not to mention day-to-day which affects our hearing
3. Aural memory is like 4 seconds so you can’t actually remember exactly what anything sounds like really
4. Confirmation bias which has killed stronger men
5. Temperature, like someone else mentioned
6. ???
7. Profit!

Same thing with those auralex foam wedges, by the way. Ethan Winer did a test and any differences attributed to the foam could be explained by moving the monitor equal distance and putting them on cardboard.

But none of us have anything better to do than debate minutiae so, please, carrion.
 
Another interesting test from 2018 that was mentioned at the very beginning of this thread... rtings.com did a fairly comprehensive headphone Break In test:
They measured frequency response and distortion from t=0 to t=120 hours on four different headphones!
The test applied doesn't appear to be a stress to fail (90dB with a 10 minute cool-down every hour).
They admit and provide explanations for the THD run to run variation and the THD outlier, which I appreciate.
This appears to be a very thoughtful test... another four speakers that all show negligible changes in response and even distortion as the drivers age.
Conclusion
No evidence in support of the existence of the break-in effect was found in this test.
 
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*Ahem* I see this thread has quieted down. Allow me to stir it back up. Please read the last paragraph if you’re impatient, I promise I have a relevant point.

Good morning. My name is Karl. I am an audio engineer, but don’t let my credentials fool you because I have a habit of “listening to the experts” and letting them ruin my work. However, I’m in a mood right now and I’m going to try and change that.

I just bought a system from Crutchfield. I was on a strict budget and had to meet certain requirements so I made some compromises but overall I am satisfied… sort of.

The system: Sony AX6000, Pioneer GM-DX874 (bridged to 2 channels of 300 watts rms), 3-way Infinity Kappa Perfect 600’s, Rockford Fosgate Punch 300 10”, all installed in a 2008 Chevy Trailblazer LS with every single ground wire replaced, new alternator, new battery. Amps are powered by the fuse box terminal under the rear seat, grounded to the body bolts closest to them with the surface ground down to flush bare metal, twelve inch long cables. The Punch is run by 8 gauge, the Pioneer is 4 gauge.

When I installed this system it was loud enough to blow my eardrums if I so chose. It was also as clear as a professional studio. I was in love, because I have built a few professional award winning studios and this system rivaled them all (except one, but that’s another story). And then… the amp started going into protect mode for just a second here and a second there when I would turn the volume up. Now, I can still get loud, but not as loud as a concert (which I need, for reasons), and definitely not loud enough to blow my eardrums (which I also need, although I will never use).

The Fosgate sub does not drop out, ever, so I have ruled out overall system voltage drop due to charging system. The impedance is consistent throughout. Gains are set correctly. I checked the inline fuse for the amp’s positive wire, and it had a little dimple in the fuse wire so just to test it I ordered some replacements from Crutchfield and in the meantime I have bridged that fuse with a thick twisty tie. Since bridging the fuse (it SHOULD have a tolerance of about 150-200 amps) the problem has gotten a little better, but has not been fixed.

So, I called Crutchfield. At this point in time I am a little salty towards them because the first time I called them they gave me advice that I thought was a little weird but I went with it and blew my tweeters (they’ll have new ones to me Wednesday). But, hey, worth a shot. Their response?

The speakers are now broken in, and so I can’t turn them up as loud without using more power and putting the amp into protect mode.

I specifically asked this advisor “so you mean to say that now that these speakers are broken in, basically, I can’t get as much loudness from them?” He said, assertively: “yes, that is correct.” Uh… thoughts? First of all, I am pretty sure I broke these speakers in with the first week of ownership. I drove this truck so much I almost got a divorce. I am now known by pretty much everyone in my small town as the “***hole with the loud truck and the Marine Corps license plate”. I broke them in. Second, he is telling me that now that they are broken in I cannot get as loud, and that REALLY doesn’t make a lick of sense to me. I asked my kids (12, and 9 years old), what they thought about this, because they often are creative the way children are and can think outside my box, and they are as stumped as I am. So that does it. If they are stumped, I must really be screwed. Anyone wanna sidestep the speaker break-in thing and offer some real advice? Anyone else wanna put me in my place and explain how speaker break in can provide me with LESS loudness-per-watt?
 
*Ahem* I see this thread has quieted down. Allow me to stir it back up. Please read the last paragraph if you’re impatient, I promise I have a relevant point.

Good morning. My name is Karl. I am an audio engineer, but don’t let my credentials fool you because I have a habit of “listening to the experts” and letting them ruin my work. However, I’m in a mood right now and I’m going to try and change that.

I just bought a system from Crutchfield. I was on a strict budget and had to meet certain requirements so I made some compromises but overall I am satisfied… sort of.

The system: Sony AX6000, Pioneer GM-DX874 (bridged to 2 channels of 300 watts rms), 3-way Infinity Kappa Perfect 600’s, Rockford Fosgate Punch 300 10”, all installed in a 2008 Chevy Trailblazer LS with every single ground wire replaced, new alternator, new battery. Amps are powered by the fuse box terminal under the rear seat, grounded to the body bolts closest to them with the surface ground down to flush bare metal, twelve inch long cables. The Punch is run by 8 gauge, the Pioneer is 4 gauge.

When I installed this system it was loud enough to blow my eardrums if I so chose. It was also as clear as a professional studio. I was in love, because I have built a few professional award winning studios and this system rivaled them all (except one, but that’s another story). And then… the amp started going into protect mode for just a second here and a second there when I would turn the volume up. Now, I can still get loud, but not as loud as a concert (which I need, for reasons), and definitely not loud enough to blow my eardrums (which I also need, although I will never use).

The Fosgate sub does not drop out, ever, so I have ruled out overall system voltage drop due to charging system. The impedance is consistent throughout. Gains are set correctly. I checked the inline fuse for the amp’s positive wire, and it had a little dimple in the fuse wire so just to test it I ordered some replacements from Crutchfield and in the meantime I have bridged that fuse with a thick twisty tie. Since bridging the fuse (it SHOULD have a tolerance of about 150-200 amps) the problem has gotten a little better, but has not been fixed.

So, I called Crutchfield. At this point in time I am a little salty towards them because the first time I called them they gave me advice that I thought was a little weird but I went with it and blew my tweeters (they’ll have new ones to me Wednesday). But, hey, worth a shot. Their response?

The speakers are now broken in, and so I can’t turn them up as loud without using more power and putting the amp into protect mode.

I specifically asked this advisor “so you mean to say that now that these speakers are broken in, basically, I can’t get as much loudness from them?” He said, assertively: “yes, that is correct.” Uh… thoughts? First of all, I am pretty sure I broke these speakers in with the first week of ownership. I drove this truck so much I almost got a divorce. I am now known by pretty much everyone in my small town as the “***hole with the loud truck and the Marine Corps license plate”. I broke them in. Second, he is telling me that now that they are broken in I cannot get as loud, and that REALLY doesn’t make a lick of sense to me. I asked my kids (12, and 9 years old), what they thought about this, because they often are creative the way children are and can think outside my box, and they are as stumped as I am. So that does it. If they are stumped, I must really be screwed. Anyone wanna sidestep the speaker break-in thing and offer some real advice? Anyone else wanna put me in my place and explain how speaker break in can provide me with LESS loudness-per-watt?
Very interesting. Best wishes
 
... When I installed this system it was loud enough to blow my eardrums if I so chose. ... Now, I can still get loud, but not as loud as a concert (which I need, for reasons), and definitely not loud enough to blow my eardrums (which I also need, although I will never use). ...
... Anyone wanna sidestep the speaker break-in thing and offer some real advice? ...
Maybe you did blow your eardrums so now it doesn't seem as loud anymore, even though it is.
Have you measured with an SPL meter and controlled for variables?

I do not think speakers get less sensitive after break-in. Unless you break them during break-in.
 
A 300W RMS amp for a poor old 6.5” woofer (rated at 100W). Yeah, I can suspect what happens here…
Plenty of things that can happen:
- you heat up the magnet, potentially irreversibly weakening the magnetic field. Now this will need extreme heat, not sure 300W would do it
- you bang the voice coil against the pole piece. This may damage the voice coil, if your lucky the woofer still works, but performance may be impacted.
- you burn the voice coil. This may short parts of it, lowering impedance. That may also explain the amp giving out. It would most certainly affect the sound.
 
Yeah, I'd suspect something very thermal was going on. Only without smoke it's less obvious.
 
I think that was intended for the, "Do audio speakers break?" thread.
 
A 300W RMS amp for a poor old 6.5” woofer (rated at 100W). Yeah, I can suspect what happens here…
So what about 300 watts sent to a 3-way component system of speakers EACH rated at 100 watts rms?

It’s kinda funny, I expected better reading comprehension out of this group.

The speakers are fine, folks. I am nowhere near max output, not that they couldn’t handle it, and after 15 years of managing live venues, producing albums in studio, and performing live myself, I know how to protect my ears. Hyperbole is a thing, and I was just using some rough examples to give you an idea of what the system can do.

Anyway, the problem is not the speakers (plural, as in 300 watts rms going to three speakers that each handle 100 watts rms… I guess the midrange handles 75watts rms, but anyone who knows this specific line of speakers knows that they’re notorious for being hungry for more power than their ratings). The problem is elsewhere. Anyone wanna think a little further?
 
So what about 300 watts sent to a 3-way component system of speakers EACH rated at 100 watts rms?

It’s kinda funny, I expected better reading comprehension out of this group.

The speakers are fine, folks. I am nowhere near max output, not that they couldn’t handle it, and after 15 years of managing live venues, producing albums in studio, and performing live myself, I know how to protect my ears. Hyperbole is a thing, and I was just using some rough examples to give you an idea of what the system can do.

Anyway, the problem is not the speakers (plural, as in 300 watts rms going to three speakers that each handle 100 watts rms… I guess the midrange handles 75watts rms, but anyone who knows this specific line of speakers knows that they’re notorious for being hungry for more power than their ratings). The problem is elsewhere. Anyone wanna think a little further?
I can't imagine a tweeter handling much more than 5 watts or so, though.
 
Maybe you did blow your eardrums so now it doesn't seem as loud anymore, even though it is.
Have you measured with an SPL meter and controlled for variables?

I do not think speakers get less sensitive after break-in. Unless you break them during break-in.
I don’t go louder than safe, without earplugs ;).
 
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