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Wow those Phantom speakers are "different" looking
Abdo123, I forgot to mention that it is a small to medium room where I am roughly 8 to 9 feet from the speakers. I have heard that Kalis 'might' be good for the volume I need, but have yet to find anyone with an actual setup like this for home theater that can verify. Since my Denon does not have preouts, it will have to be upgraded also, so I want to be a little more sure about it before spending a bunch of money and then being disappointed because they sound like tiny computer speakers that would sound amazing if I put my head up to them lol
I think as long as you add subs to your HT setup, having 5 or more active speakers with 8" woofers in this room at this distance should give more loudness than might be healthy for your ears in the long run.Abdo123, I forgot to mention that it is a small to medium room where I am roughly 8 to 9 feet from the speakersl
I have had a pair of Phantoms for around 6 years now and like everything about them apart from needing an app to control volume, I have them connected to my streaming and home file library, a TV and a CD transport.Wow those Phantom speakers are "different" looking
I used a k+h 0300. At 2.5 meters without sub in a treated room with pop, hip hop or rock, i have activated the protection very often.I think as long as you add subs to your HT setup, having 5 or more active speakers with 8" woofers in this room at this distance should give more loudness than might be healthy for your ears in the long run.
As a comparison: I use 2 x K&H O300D (small 3-way with 8" woofer, but more power in the amps) and 1 x Genelec 7060b sub (0" sub with correspondingly rather bigger ported housing) in a 50 sqm living room at about 3.5 m distance and have not yet reached their clipping point.
The O300 definitely needs a sub to play loud. The woofer starts to distort at higher volumes and I've read or heard somewhere from Neumann that the woofer of its successor, the Neumann KH310, is 7 dB better in this regard. Still I would use a sub with both in my room. Both bass and mids improved significantly after I added the sub to my O300s.I used a k+h 0300. At 2.5 meters without sub in a treated room with pop, hip hop or rock, i have activated the protection very often.
Now i migrated the o300 in my office and replace them by a kh 420.
I think you ask too much. Keep the outer finish and improve the innards only, to keep the price low.Is someone from JBL Pro reading this? Can you folks please make some 5 series monitors and price them from $900-$1500 per pair? Use bigger chip amps than we find in the 3 series monitors, reduce the tweeter hiss a little bit, add some DSP configurability, and lose the shiny plastic finish.
I think you ask too much. Keep the outer finish and improve the innards only, to keep the price low.
But porting reduces distortion when everything else (especially extension) is equal, that's the entire point. The problem is the same whether it's sealed or ported: don't try to push extension via EQ too much. The Genelec 8341A/8351B reviews here show extremey good distortion values, and these are arguably "small" ported speakers.
There are other major advantages to porting beyond low hz extension. It makes the speaker MUCH more efficient. Also, the much greater air pressure (positive and negative) on the midrange/woofer can cause distortion and damping. I don't think it's marketing. I think it's just easier to design a good speaker with a port.
Though, I should qualify. I have unported bookshelves with a sub myself But I'm thinking of jumping to a Genelec or maybe a revel or maybe an R3... or...
Yes. For $3k each you get a great performing ported speaker. The majority of tested bookshelf speakers with ports resonate causing mid range distortion reducing performance in a critical area of their performance window. A more cost effective solution for $6k would be to get a nice sub and cross the small speakers over and let the sub do the low work.
i wish no speaker in the world would be rear ported for home cinema purposes.
I guess when I put "far field", I meant something I could set up like my Elac speakers across the room from me around 9 feet or however many meters that is and enjoy my movies and it seems most studio monitors are not made for this.
I have no idea what regular listening speakers are called in that aspect, so I just called it the opposite of near field.
I have recently found other posts (On avsforum) that say using even the highly rated and expensive Neumann KH 120s was fatiguing when used like a normal home theater and not sitting with them on a desk right in their face.
I really don't care if it's front or rear ported or if it even has them at all, at long as it sounds good and had good measurements.
But I'm starting to find that what I want simply doesn't exist yet, and maybe never will, at least at a decent price range.
And I don't have enough winning lottery tickets to get the others lol.
Maybe I'm asking for a Ferrari on a Honda budget.
As for DIY, my skills are beyond horrible.
I'll definitely burn something down or cut off some appendage.
I plan on running it with the same two subwoofers that I'm currently using that cover my area nicely.
Perhaps that would help, even with studio monitors?