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DIY ACTIVE REFLEX STEREO SUBS 40 Hz – 120 Hz ?

Depends on the kit at a concert!
Also I suspect 'dry' is one those nice adjectives meaning 'less coloured aka distorted'. Less fruity as we call it.
Forget books and play music!
 
Actually no. I just finished reading his book, Get Better Sound.
Seems as if he has lots of experience with many hundreds of system
he has set up.

Jim Smith often prefers subs with a ventilated pole piece, but when it comes to enclosure type, he actually recommends ported (vented) subs over sealed subs for several reasons:

1. Efficiency: Ported subs are generally more efficient than sealed subs, meaning they can produce more bass with the same amount of power.
2. Low-frequency extension: Ported subs can often extend lower in frequency than sealed subs, especially in the 20-30 Hz range.
3. Dynamic range: Ported subs can handle more dynamic range and produce more SPL (sound pressure level) than sealed subs.

However, sealed subs have their own advantages, such as:
- Tighter, more controlled bass: Sealed subs tend to have a more accurate, "tighter" bass response.
- Smaller size: Sealed subs are often smaller and more compact than ported subs.

Ultimately, the choice between sealed and ported subs depends on the specific application, room size, and personal preference. Jim Smith's preference for ported subs is likely due to their ability to produce more bass and dynamic range, but sealed subs can still be a great option for certain situations.

1 - Correct, at the expense of a larger cabinet
2 - Incorrect. Below port tuning, a ported box is basically useless. Any driver in a sealed box has output down to below 0.01Hz, albeit SPL will be lower than the nominal passband.
3 - Yes, they can get louder, but only in the range where the port is helping out. At 100Hz, max.SPL will be equal.

Something that's been missed: for wider bandwidths, port resonances can become an issue as well. It takes very careful tuning to get rid of those effectively.


IMO, sealed cabinets are the correct choice for a domestic system: if you're pushing the audio equipment so loud that switching to ported makes the difference, then you're no longer listening to high fidelity. There'll be too much harmonic distortion, clipping, etc etc.
Sealed boxes get you more LF extension (once EQ'd), in a smaller box. If you need more output, use more of them.


As a live sound engineer, the mention of PA systems as some kind of reference amuses me. PA systems are designed with one thing in mind: output density. That is, the most output from the smallest space possible.
This is true from the small coffee shop gigs: they might use a pair of 8" or 10" speakers on stands, because they don't need/want a pair of 15"s taking up loads of room.
All the way up to the stadium concerts, where it's about logistics: if Brand X subwoofers would fill 3x trucks to do the job, and Brand Y would need 4x trucks, the tour management are going with Brand X. Easier load-in/out, less fuel used, less cabling, etc etc etc.
It's not about dry/tight/extended/whatever. Which thing is going to do the job, in the smallest space possible?

I'm also point out that, in a lot of venues, the LF reverb time will often turn the bass to mush. This is, I suppose, the opposite of "dry", but it could hardly be considered a good thing.
 
Thank you so much for taking time to clarify all this to me. Then my DIY active subs will be a lot easier to construct, using baffles and amps from audiophonics.
 
After seeing Rammstein, I tried to build their rig in my house. When the lorries were unable to get within 1/4 mile of my house, my wife set me straight. She's like that.

My mains and subs are all IB - I hear no downside, just improvements.
 
Rammstein, intense music. Infinite Baffles ? I read about them here. IF I understand right about infinite baffles, you need a closet or a back room I suppose. I could make a closet space in my room in case infinite baffles is a great improvement compared to sealed baffles. How much space behind the speaker is needed for it to work ?
 
Perhaps in this small corner closet or someone said the furnace could be used ?

Or I could create space on each side of the stove.

Only problem, the subs will be behind the speakers ?
 

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I believe it is necessary for you to setup an excellent HiFi subwoofer, hopefully L&R subwoofers, capable of properly reproducing the 15Hz - 50Hz range in your home listening room or in a suitable audio showroom for auditioning. Using objectively analyzed music sources that have excellent "music" sound in the 15Hz - 50Hz frequency range, you can determine whether you need to enjoy music with low-Fq sound in that frequency range. For this purpose, many objectively analyzed reference sources have been already shared within our ASR Forum.

I easily imagine that, like me (we), you also feel the need for such "music sound" in the 15Hz - 50Hz range.

Let me share some of my posts on such "music tracks" with objective analysis data (frequency spectrum, etc.) that I have analyzed by myself with YouTube links attached for reference (I cannot guarantee the sound quality of YouTube clips, though).

- Excellent Recording Quality Music Albums/Tracks for Subjective (and Possibly Objective) Test/Check/Tuning of Multichannel Multi-Driver Multi-Way Multi-Amplifier Time-Aligned Active Stereo Audio System and Room Acoustics; at least a Portion and/or One Track being Analyzed by Color Spectrum of Adobe Audition in Common Parameters:
[Part-01] Full Orchestral Music: #588(on my project thread)
[Part-03] Typical(?) Smooth Jazz Music with Guitar: #591
[Part-08] (Smooth?) Jazz Trio: #640
[Part-09] Organ Music: #641
[Part-14] Piano Concertos:
#650


- Reproduction and listening/hearing/feeling sensations to 16 Hz (organ) sound with my DSP-based multichannel multi-SP-driver multi-amplifier fully active stereo audio system having big-heavy active L&R sub-woofers: #782

- Objective analysis of all the music tracks (by MusicScope 2.1.0 and Adobe Audition 3.0.1) in an excellent-recording-quality enjoyable smooth-jazz CD album suitable for subjective assessment/confirmation of audio system and room acoustic environment:
Part-A-06: Track-06 “LOST WITHOUT YOUR LOVE” in CD “CONFIDENTIAL” by Peter White (acoustic guitar), CK 89090 COLUMBIA Sony 2004: #20(remote thread)
Part-A-08: Track-08 “SWEPT AWAY” in CD “CONFIDENTIAL” by Peter White (acoustic guitar), CK 89090 COLUMBIA Sony 2004:
#22(remote thread)

- Objective analysis of all the music tracks (by MusicScope 2.1.0 and Adobe Audition 3.0.1) in an excellent-recording-quality enjoyable smooth-jazz CD album suitable for subjective assessment/confirmation of audio system and room acoustic environment:
Part-B-07: Track-07 “SUNNY”
in CD “PLAYN’ FAVORITES” by Peter White (acoustic guitar), 82796 94992 2 COLUMBIA/LEGACY Sony 2006: #33(remote thread)

- Objective analysis of all the music tracks (by MusicScope 2.1.0 and Adobe Audition 3.0.1) in an excellent-recording-quality enjoyable full orchestra CD album with soprano solo and chorus suitable for subjective assessment/confirmation of audio system and room acoustic environment
Part-01: Track-01 “Overture” in CD “Schubert ROSAMUNDE D.797” by Kurt Masur and Gewandhausorchester Leipzig, 412-432-2 PHILIPS 1985:#40(remote thread)

Edit: Just for your possible reference and interest, you would please find my audio system having L&R large-heavy subwoofers (YAMAHA YST-SW1000) and photos of my listening room (with dimensions) in my post #931, #1,009 (Fq-SPL responses) on my project thread.
 
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Rammstein, intense music. Infinite Baffles ? I read about them here. IF I understand right about infinite baffles, you need a closet or a back room I suppose. I could make a closet space in my room in case infinite baffles is a great improvement compared to sealed baffles. How much space behind the speaker is needed for it to work ?
Normally, for me, concerts involve good musicians playing good songs, preferably in a nice small venue. Rammstein are not the best of musicians, but they do provide a spectacle almost like ancient Rome - and it's all tongue-in-cheek theatre!

I had fine time watching them in Coventry (work out the irony of that for yourself). I'm probably (technically) in shot, about 80 yards front centre! I'm not sure what speakers they used, but the recorded sound here (phone?) is terrible. The bass shook the ground... I'm sure your fireplace would not be up to the pyrotechnic show. Although I had a friend who built a 15" Fane speaker into his chimney....
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I will follow them for a concert because my grandson would love this !

Sorry to hijack your thread, but you made me do it! :) :)
Full show apparently, here. Not bad for middle-aged blokes. Again, terrible recorded sound, and not the best angle, but it was great where I was.
And consider how many people there knew the words in German. It was Coventry - hard to find English spoken there! Check around 1h:36m.
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It's primarily a question of matching the room and equipment.

1) What are the dimensions? What is the floor area and ceiling height?

2) What is the distance between the speakers and the listening position?

3) Is it for watching movies or listening to music?

4) What are the "satellite" speakers, and what is their power and sensitivity?
 
- 6 meters = 19,69 feet (length)

- 5 meters = 16,40 feet (width)

- 3 meters = 9,84 feet (height)

I will have my Lyngdorf TDAI 1120 in a few days, nothing set up yet.

Music only, classic, jazz, blues, and more.

PhonOPhone G1, 85 dB, 8 ohms

I intend to make a DIY of open baffles this fall

and I have a pair of line arrays but no crossover filter
that I need to install with an easy beginners software.
 

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With PhonOPhone SPL = 105dB/1m
the DAYTON AUDIO DCS385-4 is overkill and limited in high frequencies.

I advise you to use smaller subwoofers and possibly add more if you need more SPL.

Four subwoofers are better than two, which are better than one...

Linkwitz's Pluto is a good starting point:

He uses an SLS-P830668, which costs less than half the price of the Dayton Audio (€66.41).

In a 14L sealed enclosure, like Linkwitz uses, you'll get 111dB SPL, which should be enough with your PhonOPhone speakers.

You should use a Linkwitz transformer with this subwoofer.

If your processor can't handle it, you'll need a bass reflex enclosure with a larger volume, for example a Visaton W250S 8ohm in a 55-liter enclosure tuned to 31Hz.
I use a similar system, see my signature, with an 8-inch Visaton W200s, in a room of 22m² and 2.5m high, which is good
There are some W250s 8ohm for sale on leboncoin...
 
Thank you. I will see if a sub is really needed for the phonophone.

My intention to build my subs are for the line arrays and a futur pair of full range open baffles.
 
Beware unnecessary cost and complexity.

Costs and complexity for subs ?

Or filters for the line array ?

I will start with my PhonoPhones, do some REW recordings to share here,
and then evolve.

But if sealed subs are fine, does not seem very complicated unless everything has to be perfect but trying the perfect i always complicated.
 
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