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Dithering is a Mathematical Process - NOT a psychoacoustic process.

So, then, any time you use a digital volume control that has steps other than 6.02dB steps (1 bit, exactly) you have irrevocably assured harm (which may be minimal in may cases, yes) to your original signal.

So I assume you propose here a volume control that does a bit shift..
But that means you have to throw away one or more LSBs, which can only be done properly by dithering.
So harm is done in both situations.
In that case I prefer to have finer digital steps and dithering, accepting a slightly higher noise floor.
 
Sorry. The mastering engineer has the ability to avoid this. The consumer should not have to compensate for the production.
Nevertheless, the reality is that a lot of music is distributed with intersample overs. It is also the reality that many DACs lack the headroom to handle this cleanly. The pragmatic solution is to offer the option of reducing the level in software, even though this wouldn't be necessary in a perfect world. Only a fanatic would insist on using an inferior approach in the name of purity. Then again, we're talking about audiophiles here.
 
So I assume you propose here a volume control that does a bit shift..
But that means you have to throw away one or more LSBs, which can only be done properly by dithering.
So harm is done in both situations.
In that case I prefer to have finer digital steps and dithering, accepting a slightly higher noise floor.

You're good if you gain "up". Of course going down you have to dither, and you lose (again).
 
Nevertheless, the reality is that a lot of music is distributed with intersample overs. It is also the reality that many DACs lack the headroom to handle this cleanly. The pragmatic solution is to offer the option of reducing the level in software, even though this wouldn't be necessary in a perfect world. Only a fanatic would insist on using an inferior approach in the name of purity. Then again, we're talking about audiophiles here.

Oh, I've measured some whoppers, indeed. People complaining about "fake signals" only need to analyze a few REAL clips off of released CD to see what happens in the real world.

And you're flat-out right that many DAC's can't cope.

The moral is: If you want your music to sound like it does in the studio, DON'T INTRODUCE ISP's.

Just don't. It's not hard. It's not a huge effort. Just don't.
 
So I assume you propose here a volume control that does a bit shift..
But that means you have to throw away one or more LSBs, which can only be done properly by dithering..

But not if you're starting with e.g. 16 bit source and the output is 24 bit. ;-)
 
You're good if you gain "up". Of course going down you have to dither, and you lose (again).
Going up will give you even more chance on clipping... I see no need for that kind of volume control..
 
It better be free, how much can you charge for using one of 2 machine language instructions?

Well, nothing, so there it is. But it works where using the gain control in a DAW or plug-ins doesn't.

(And creating a plug-in involves more than the DSP part, obviously.)
 
A lot of people can't understand what an ISP is. That does not excuse their existence. As to "PC Environment" there is a long story there, and the gain structure is profoundly insane.

Please expand a bit on this "long story..."? :-)
 
Some of the details are probably still proprietary, sorry. But let's assume that gain structure is not always considered.

A probably proprietary screwed up gain structure. Darned confidentiality! o_O

Oh well, thanks anyway. :-)
 
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