Dirac Live cost vs RAW approach – advice needed

[Oddball]

Loved the post. But Croatian is a bit off though. Mine as well as not really using it much nowadays.

 

[90sNintendoKid]

I can't believe this.

This guy has a 2ch system with 10 bands of PEQ per channel available with his current set up, his speakers won't even arrive for over a month and he says he might get a subwoofer. And already people are pushing him to get an AVR and forget about actually learning about how to measure, interpret the results and do objective improvements he can verify - which he says he is willing to learn and do! Why is anybody even talking about ART in a 2ch system? Is this helpful? Aren't we at ASR?

@ŽELJKO, when your speakers arrive set them up in your space in a reasonable way. Start playing with REW now with whatever speakers you currently have so you can be more effective when the time comes. Come on back here and show us how those lovely speakers and quite capable amp perform in your room with well presented .mdat files in a new thread and I'm sure you will get some real help.

I have a Wiim Ultra and I don't use it for EQ because the delay between speakers can't be set.

Even if I was using only 2 channel, I'd get at least 2 subwoofers a Denon or Marantz AVR and use OCA's A1.

 

[krabapple]

Because some things you won't be able to learn to do with AVR even if it has one of the most complete DSP sections like Audyssey 32 (including basic ELC)

Speaking of basic , what does "ELC" stand for?

 

[ZolaIII]

Loved the post. But Croatian is a bit off though. Mine as well as not really using it much nowadays.

What do you know about Serbian language and letter? Why you wouldn't use it?
It's different in one crucial way "write as spoken and reed as written" so there is no loose in the original meaning for roots it obtain. Live roots are; Latin, Greek and Sanskript. It didn't had overhaul vocal reduction like many others especially popular modern variants in use. As saying goes "speak Serbian so that whole world can understand you". It represents our civilisational central connection link to what's today considered West (Latin), central now more east (Old Greak) and far east India (China is civilisation of its own) and more archaic roots that aren't live anymore but never the less we can understand them. Not kidding about it, if by chance one day it spreads so will the chances of our civilisation standing truly united (opposite to devided and on the brink of destruction where we are right now).

Of course same apply to both letter sets (Latinic and Cyrillic) and it's same language. Won't even try to go into newer national (ideological) driven stuff, political abuses and such (not even if it whosent against forum rules).

 

[ZolaIII]

Speaking of basic , what does "ELC" stand for?

Equal loudness compensation.

 

[Oddball]

What do you know about Serbian language and letter? Why you wouldn't use it?
It's different in one crucial way "write as spoken and reed as written" so there is no loose in the original meaning for roots it obtain. Live roots are; Latin, Greek and Sanskript. It didn't had overhaul vocal reduction like many others especially popular modern variants in use. As saying goes "speak Serbian so that whole world can understand you". It represents our civilisational central connection link to what's today considered West (Latin), central now more east (Old Greak) and far east India (China is civilisation of its own) and more archaic roots that aren't live anymore but never the less we can understand them. Not kidding about it, if by chance one day it spreads so will the chances of our civilisation standing truly united (opposite to devided and on the brink of destruction where we are right now).
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Of course same apply to both letter sets (Latinic and Cyrillic) and it's same language. Won't even try to go into newer national (ideological) driven stuff, political abuses and such (not even if it whosent against forum rules).

My comments were fair as far as Croatian and agree Serbian is pretty similar, albeit alphabet considerations. I must admit that I am not a fan of the "new" Croatian though. Both languages are pretty marginal so no need to make the big fuss of it.

I am still pretty fluent in both Serbian and Croatian, albeit would have hard time with Cyrillic as it has been really long time since I have used it.

 

[ZolaIII]

My comments were fair as far as Croatian and agree Serbian is pretty similar, albeit alphabet considerations. I must admit that I am not a fan of the "new" Croatian though. Both languages are pretty marginal so no need to make the big fuss of it.

I am still pretty fluent in both Serbian and Croatian, albeit would have hard time with Cyrillic as it has been really long time since I have used it.

Maybe you just need a good book on it (Latinic of course) to reed and come back. Certainly nothing really newer. Perhaps from contemporary modern Serbian era? For me classics reality like: Mr's Ministary, The Badger On Trial, Pickled Punkin and so on. Or perhaps you are more into poetry and post modern?
Just asking hoping you might enjoy something like that.

 

[BetweenThePeaks]

My comments were fair as far as Croatian and agree Serbian is pretty similar, albeit alphabet considerations. I must admit that I am not a fan of the "new" Croatian though. Both languages are pretty marginal so no need to make the big fuss of it.

I am still pretty fluent in both Serbian and Croatian, albeit would have hard time with Cyrillic as it has been really long time since I have used it.

I don’t want to go off-topic and I excuse my self by doing it, but I’d like to mention something personal.

For me, both Serbian and Croatian feel like mother tongues. I grew up in Vojvodina, only about 5 km from the border on the Danube, so both cultures were part of my everyday life and I appreciate them equally.

For the past 20 years I’ve been living in Italy, and I’ve fallen in love with its natural diversity. Besides the audio hobby, I have two other passions : hiking and road cycling in the beautiful Italian mountains, in the Alps and the Dolomites.

 

[Oddball]

Maybe you just need a good book on it (Latinic of course) to reed and come back. Certainly nothing really newer. Perhaps from contemporary modern Serbian era? For me classics reality like: Mr's Ministary, The Badger On Trial, Pickled Punkin and so on. Or perhaps you are more into poetry and post modern?
Just asking hoping you might enjoy something like that.

Now why would I need that? Also, if your were doing your original post in Serbian, also quite a bit off? Not sure what are your trying to accomplish here?

 

[ZolaIII]

@ŽELJKO where in Vojvodina? It's still very culturally diverse in the nice way thanks to all ethnicity minorities living there. Whosent been there last cuple years. I am in Sarajevo did do climbing and badge gathering when I whose younger (not any more) and somehow menaged to pass for now regarding MTB and cross/enduro motorcycling as I have good buddies doing it.
@Oddball I just thought you might like something like that. Apparently I whose wrong.

 

[BetweenThePeaks]

@ŽELJKO where in Vojvodina? It's still very culturally diverse in the nice way thanks to all ethnicity minorities living there. Whosent been there last cuple years. I am in Sarajevo did do climbing and badge gathering when I whose younger (not any more) and somehow menaged to pass for now regarding MTB and cross/enduro motorcycling as I have good buddies doing it.
@Oddball I just thought you might like something like that. Apparently I whose wrong.

Thanks for the friendly message, I appreciate it. I really do.
I'm just trying to keep things here in English and mostly about audio so everyone can follow the thread.
Hope that’s okay...Please don't take it personally.
Always happy to chat about hi-fi, music, or gear though.

 

[Oddball]

@ŽELJKO where in Vojvodina? It's still very culturally diverse in the nice way thanks to all ethnicity minorities living there. Whosent been there last cuple years. I am in Sarajevo did do climbing and badge gathering when I whose younger (not any more) and somehow menaged to pass for now regarding MTB and cross/enduro motorcycling as I have good buddies doing it.
@Oddball I just thought you might like something like that. Apparently I whose wrong.

Apparently you were. This is not about your recommendations for literature. We do have a topic here. And given your other language skills best to say safe with English.

 

[BetweenThePeaks]

Quick question about connecting my laptop to WiiM Ultra for REW.

I’ve already chosen the Dayton iMM-6C microphone and loaded its calibration file into REW, so the measurement side is ready.

My laptop (Acer Nitro V16 ANV16-41) has no optical out and WiiM Ultra has:
• Optical IN
• Coax IN
• USB-C seems to be OUTPUT only
• HDMI ARC only for TV

I want to run REW sweeps digitally into the WiiM Ultra so measurements match my real listening chain.

Is this the correct approach?
Laptop > USB > USB-to-TOSLINK adapter > Optical IN on WiiM Ultra

Will REW work reliably through such USB > TOSLINK adapters?
Any timing/latency issues for measurements?
Is there a better way I’m missing?
I assume using WiiM analog line-in would be worse due to ADC/DAC conversion?
Are those devices a good choice for connecting laptop to wiim ultra?

 

[Keith_W]

First you say USB to TOSLink, then you say USB to SPDIF. I assume it's a typo. Either way, as long as the adapter is functioning properly, you should be able to take measurements. It won't diminish the quality of your measurement if it works. As for Wiim analog-in, that depends on the quality of the DAC you are using (computer sound card?) and the ADC. Both are unknowns. I would personally prefer the security of an all-digital chain. Make sure you set the sample rates correctly, every device or piece of software in the chain needs to have the same sample rate.

I have to say it's rather silly of Wiim to include a USB port and only allow output! Have you checked to make sure it does not accept input as well?

Timing/latency issues: yes. Your DAC and ADC are on separate clocks, so variable latency will be an issue. You will need to use an acoustic timing reference for all timing measurements. In fact, it is good practice to use it for all measurements, period. It does no harm apart from add a couple of seconds to your measurement. But if you fail to use a timing reference, you might end up regretting it and having to repeat the measurement. That would be a bigger waste of time.

 

[BetweenThePeaks]

First you say USB to TOSLink, then you say USB to SPDIF. I assume it's a typo. Either way, as long as the adapter is functioning properly, you should be able to take measurements. It won't diminish the quality of your measurement if it works. As for Wiim analog-in, that depends on the quality of the DAC you are using (computer sound card?) and the ADC. Both are unknowns. I would personally prefer the security of an all-digital chain. Make sure you set the sample rates correctly, every device or piece of software in the chain needs to have the same sample rate.

I have to say it's rather silly of Wiim to include a USB port and only allow output! Have you checked to make sure it does not accept input as well?

Timing/latency issues: yes. Your DAC and ADC are on separate clocks, so variable latency will be an issue. You will need to use an acoustic timing reference for all timing measurements. In fact, it is good practice to use it for all measurements, period. It does no harm apart from add a couple of seconds to your measurement. But if you fail to use a timing reference, you might end up regretting it and having to repeat the measurement. That would be a bigger waste of time.

To be honest, your post confused me a bit. Before reading it I thought I more or less understood what I needed to do, but now I’m not so sure anymore and I feel like I may have misunderstood some important things.

At the moment I’m unsure about the correct chain and what hardware I actually need. I don’t want to use the phone for measurements if possible, I’d prefer a PC based solution, but I’m not certain which input method makes sense and what steps I should follow in the right order.

Could you please explain, in simple steps, what you would recommend I do from here?

 

[Geertidow]

2 channel ART is not too bad: Asr link.
Learning is fun, and people at ASR can help.

But it does take a lot time. If you're willing to spend time then dive in the rabbit hole.
If not buy use software, free or paid.

Every minute measuring is a minute not listening to music.

 

[Keith_W]

To be honest, your post confused me a bit. Before reading it I thought I more or less understood what I needed to do, but now I’m not so sure anymore and I feel like I may have misunderstood some important things.

At the moment I’m unsure about the correct chain and what hardware I actually need. I don’t want to use the phone for measurements if possible, I’d prefer a PC based solution, but I’m not certain which input method makes sense and what steps I should follow in the right order.

Could you please explain, in simple steps, what you would recommend I do from here?

You can do exactly what you were planning to do.

Output Chain:
PC -(USB)-> USB to TOSLink adapter --> Wiim (TOSLink input)

Input Chain:
Dayton IMM6 --> PC

Please note my previous comment that the IMM6 is unsuitable for audio measurements unless it is held firmly in place. Get a cable for it and duct tape it to a tripod or broom handle. Do not hold the mic in your hand unless it's for an MMM.

I also suggest you read the REW eBook in my signature. Maybe start with book 1. Book 2 is a bit more advanced.

 

[ZolaIII]

To be honest, your post confused me a bit. Before reading it I thought I more or less understood what I needed to do, but now I’m not so sure anymore and I feel like I may have misunderstood some important things.

At the moment I’m unsure about the correct chain and what hardware I actually need. I don’t want to use the phone for measurements if possible, I’d prefer a PC based solution, but I’m not certain which input method makes sense and what steps I should follow in the right order.

Could you please explain, in simple steps, what you would recommend I do from here?

Don't be confused, connect it exactly as you said use Java writen end in REW and acoustic reference which is rise at begin and end of spectrum so he can do timing reference. Configure both USB to Toslink (WiiM) and USB mic in windows the same sample and beet rate let's say 48 KHz 16 bit and do the same in REW config. Tooks a little more time (to do measurement with accustic reference than without it) and sometimes when latency is bad and dosent start immediately it falls to get first reference in lows, cure is clicking it to try again fast while line is still active.

 

[BetweenThePeaks]

Don't be confused, connect it exactly as you said use Java writen end in REW and acoustic reference which is rise at begin and end of spectrum so he can do timing reference. Configure both USB to Toslink (WiiM) and USB mic in windows the same sample and beet rate let's say 48 KHz 16 bit and do the same in REW config. Tooks a little more time (to do measurement with accustic reference than without it) and sometimes when latency is bad and dosent start immediately it falls to get first reference in lows, cure is clicking it to try again fast while line is still active.

Which quality Toslink adapter do you recommend me to buy?

 

[voodooless]

Which quality Toslink adapter do you recommend me to buy?

SMSL PO100 will do fine.