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Dirac Live ART vs. Custom DAW-based MIMO Calibration Objective and Subjective Comparison

One of the most damaging misconceptions about DSP quality is evaluating it primarily through target-tracking performance. This notion has unfortunately been heavily promoted as a marketing tactic by mediocre automated DSP tools for decades, since it's easy for users to verify and easy to "optimize" with filters. Consequently, many people who believe they are making a technical assessment of DSP end up falling into this trap.

In reality, nothing harms good sound more than aggressively boosting dips merely to force a flat target curve. It's often wiser to accept certain response dips as unavoidable limitations of the room or speaker placement (frequently they aren't even audible) and focus instead on what can genuinely be improved above that baseline.
As @umamiaudio and @Keith_W notes, even careful boosting of minimum phase dips can reduce maximum SPL, while any broader boosting degrades overall sound quality. Yet people still treat "how well dips are filled under the target" as the primary metric for judging a calibration, which is deeply misleading.

An even worse habit is extending target tracking to higher frequencies above the room's transition zone. This has also been falsely marketed for decades for the very same reasons. It's easy to demonstrate and easy to sell and has become deeply ingrained in consumer thinking.

There is some merit in using crossover design to avoid problematic dip regions, though it remains an imperfect solution. Similarly, systems employing additional support speakers with MIMO filtering have significantly improved the situation. However, traditional SISO approaches remain constrained by these misconceptions and will likely continue to suffer from them since it's easier to believe than to understand and the majority will automatically opt out of the latter.
Visuals are powerful, a nice chart is the equivalent of a brushed aluminum case or a Sonus Faber quality woodwork, just for a different target audience.

No matter how many times the same things have been said the result is the same:
People filling dips without even calculating the enormous power requirements, let alone the wrong DSP stacking, advises by many people who know what they're talking about, etc.
 
Thank you, I just read it. All that Toole says about the Allison effect is that it can be "hidden" by other room effects, so the only way to reveal SBIR is to take an averaged measurement from multiple locations. He says it can be mitigated by better speaker positioning and the only role of DSP is to remove the peaks. I didn't see him say that the dips can be removed by DSP. Well, they can - but you need other speakers to help.
I’m on the road right now, and can’t double check what Floyd Toole wrote, but to be clear: I think moving the speakers to a better location or using multiple speakers should always be preferred to EQing for SBIR.
 
I’m on the road right now, and can’t double check what Floyd Toole wrote, but to be clear: I think moving the speakers to a better location or using multiple speakers should always be preferred to EQing for SBIR.
Sorry but out of my deptht - how would this thing work?
 
Sorry but out of my deptht - how would this thing work?

Couple of points about what he said.

1. SBIR is unavoidable unless your speakers are flush mounted. Regardless, SBIR is not the only cause of dips in the room.
2. Any dip in the frequency response can potentially be filled by another speaker in another location
3. The best way to accomplish (2) would be to use some type of DSP because you have far greater precision. You can design such a filter manually, or you could use something like ART.
 
Couple of points about what he said.

1. SBIR is unavoidable unless your speakers are flush mounted. Regardless, SBIR is not the only cause of dips in the room.
2. Any dip in the frequency response can potentially be filled by another speaker in another location
3. The best way to accomplish (2) would be to use some type of DSP because you have far greater precision. You can design such a filter manually, or you could use something like ART.
Thanks - got it. Well as they say in real estate biz, location, location, location. But that is difficult for most rooms...

Dips in the FQ response in deed get filled by other capable speakers in that range when using ART. While I see the point of designing such filter manually for lower channel count system, for 17 speakers I have it would be a nightmare, so ART, with all its shortcomings is still the best tool available at "reasonable" price and investment of time.

With ART there seems to be ongoing debate about the levels of support that are optimal - aka which speakers should be in support group and is it better if all speakers support each other, or there should be some logic to assigning support groups. Not sure if there is a clear answer as people have different experiences in different rooms and with different systems so not so easy, or perhaps not possible at all, to find a common denominator.
 
@Rmjesty did you have the time domain results of my system?
recently, I've been out of town working on some live recording works and helping more friends adjust their speaker systems. If I have time to conduct a detailed measurement, I will post it here immediately.
 
This one is from someone who tried it on discord.
 

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recently, I've been out of town working on some live recording works and helping more friends adjust their speaker systems. If I have time to conduct a detailed measurement, I will post it here immediately.

Don't forget to download the latest version and re-generate your calibration first before you do :D
 
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