When I get home I Will post some screenshots. But basically you must for every speaker (including the center one) set a range of "how would it support other speakers", despite you don't using it for supporting other speakers. So, if you check and fiddle around you can check that at least on my dirac art for denon x3800h if I extend the self support of my center speaker to the lowest frequency the spread of the center channel itself gets greatly reduced. That's why I'm asking this, because I have also split my symmetric channels and it's hilarious how different the calculated target response and spread differs when you fiddle with the self support only...
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Right - single speaker in a group can't support itself. Not supporting other speakers with center is to keep center focused on its task as the most important channel in the chain. But this is just a general rule, so no reason not to try center support and see where it leads.
You can set timing reference for LFE to any channel - it just defaults to center and probably for a reason. Also, subs should obviously support all speakers - that is the point of ART. With that, you should not get wild curves, at least not up to 150hz. All your speakers should track pretty much the same.
You can set timing reference for LFE to any channel - it just defaults to center and probably for a reason. Also, subs should obviously support all speakers - that is the point of ART. With that, you should not get wild curves, at least not up to 150hz. All your speakers should track pretty much the same.
Center speaker is not supporting itself. Don't honestly know what you're talking about. As you can see there's no checkmark to be used for it to do so.
Change the values of low and upper support even if it's not checked and check the target response and spread you will see the calculated target response and spread changes depending on the values you set there.
Check this, 2nd group is the center speaker, that obviously can not support itself, what I m showing is the taget calculated response and spread, and it differs on the center channel when I change the "self support" values.
I don't know if it is a bug or it is an expected behaviour, but depending on the values you put there you might be adjusting differntly the support of the other speakers, which is obviously a mess.
I don't know if it is a bug or it is an expected behaviour, but depending on the values you put there you might be adjusting differntly the support of the other speakers, which is obviously a mess.
I put the example the center, because I assumed that most of people are not splitting the symmetrical pairs, but indeed I'm doing it, due to the disparity on response I have on some of them.
I'm just asking if someone knows what the self support ranges does, because as I shown, the calculated target response and spread is wildly different based on what value you put there. It's not documented either AFAIK on their website.
My assumption is that this might be for speakers that are not grouped the actual frequencies you want the speaker to use on regular use (not as supporter), but obviously this is a really wild assumption.
First, Never Ever trust what Dirac show as a predicted result.
Use REW to what see Really happens, it is easy enough to do.
Looks like you are the resident expert on the topic that still kind of makes me wonder what is it about.
ART has been around for a very long time and has been beta tested by many enthusiasts.
My advice is - don't make it too complicated and enjoy the hundreds of thousands of hours that people have put in to come up with what we have now.
Just as a counterweight to your posts, I will say that whatever I punch in my settings, ART returns FQ response and decay settings that non-ART people can dream off. And I am no guru - ART is pretty much idiot proof - just follow the mainstream guidance.
ART has been around for a very long time and has been beta tested by many enthusiasts.
My advice is - don't make it too complicated and enjoy the hundreds of thousands of hours that people have put in to come up with what we have now.
Just as a counterweight to your posts, I will say that whatever I punch in my settings, ART returns FQ response and decay settings that non-ART people can dream off. And I am no guru - ART is pretty much idiot proof - just follow the mainstream guidance.
I know, the only problem with that approach when using dirac is that imagine, I have currently 10 groups, hence exporting each change and measure it with REW would be a cumbersome task, at least for having a first approximation it's good to check the calculated target and spread
Usually you can save 3 Dirac filtersand you should have 2 speaker settings.
It gives you 6 total Dirac saves
Save 2 different saves as the one above, switch between them.
If you would like to see support without subs, turn them of.
It gives you 6 total Dirac saves
Save 2 different saves as the one above, switch between them.
If you would like to see support without subs, turn them of.
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My suggestion, at this point, is to contact Dirac and ask them what's going on. I'm assuming you are not using the Center speaker to support any other speaker in your setup, not only itself.
I already did, only good knows when i would get an answer
It may have been covered in another thread but Dirac is aware of an issue w/wides for ART.
I asked and it was implied there would be one. Don’t know what the percent off will be but I would be that there would be one. I’m waiting.
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If it's for a single license (not bundled) then it's usually 30%.
Are bundles excluded from the Black Friday promos usually?
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The whole bundle thing is a new thing. The may be but previous BF offers have been 30% on single licences.
I'd hope the offer a similar 30% off for Dirac ART stand alone for customers who have already gone with them from DL to DLBC.
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