Dirac ART is now running on beta FW for Denon Xx800H AVRs!

[Frank207be]

I share your concern and hopes that Audy stays around, even if without progression. With all of its faults, it remains the most flexible and adaptable room EQ solution out there.

Unfortunately, in these turbulent times for D&M all is possible. If D&M (under HK/Samsung) decides to go full Dirac, then don't see future for Audy. While there are no public information about the nature of D&M license with Audy, it would be difficult for Audy to find new customers even if exclusivity was dropped by D&M. While Sony and Yamaha might (should) have interest in Audy's IP, don't really see that deal happening even at low valuation.

I'd love to see them do multi-sub.

 

[Oddball]

They do multiple subs either as a group or in directional mode. They don't phase align the subs with the mains although it does come close to that for the most part and "distance hack" is not something that one would need to seek in meters, rather in smaller increments.

I don't think there is any R&D budget on their part, so unlikely that we would see anything new under current circumstances.

 

[-pekr-]

??? You made me curious so I just went there and everything I tried on the site worked exactly as it should..
I'd be sad to see Audyssey go away, it's free inclusion in D-M products works very well for the average buyer. It is easily and inexpensively up-gradable for those interested in going further. It is an excellent DRC product.

Home Solutions - Audyssey Laboratories

Audyssey Laboratories

audyssey.com

Last weekend, several subsites, including news, did not work from here. I let ChatGPT to confirm, which it did, but it used the connection from the same location, so most probably not an argument. But wonder, how frequently the MultEQ-X gets updated? So far, I use Audy's 20$ smartphone app and do own full band Diract Lite + Bass, waiting for ART. As my results with Dirac were not satisfactory, and am liking Audy simplicity, though about MultEQ-X. But not, if it turns out being an abandonware. And then, there is OCA stuff, but never dared to use it

 

[Sal1950]

Unfortunately, in these turbulent times for D&M all is possible. If D&M (under HK/Samsung) decides to go full Dirac, then don't see future for Audy.

I'd be surprised and saddened to see D&M go full Dirac. As things stand now it not only would add a significant cost to the components and
complexity in setup for average user. Time will tell.

I'd love to see them do multi-sub.

They do multiple subs either as a group or in directional mode.

I'm mostly happy with the way it handles my 2 SVS SB2000 subs. But it would be great for the Mult X to handle 4 or more if the AV allowed for it.

 

[Oddball]

I'd be surprised and saddened to see D&M go full Dirac. As things stand now it not only would add a significant cost to the components and
complexity in setup for average user. Time will tell.





I'm mostly happy with the way it handles my 2 SVS SB2000 subs. But it would be great for the Mult X to handle 4 or more if the AV allowed for it.

MultiEQ-X will handle as many subs as your AVR/AVP can. Currently the limit is 4, but that is hardware, not software limit. There is no limit in the software.

 

[Sal1950]

MultiEQ-X will handle as many subs as your AVR/AVP can. Currently the limit is 4, but that is hardware, not software limit. There is no limit in the software.

Super, I wasn't sure

 

[Frank207be]

MultiEQ-X will handle as many subs as your AVR/AVP can. Currently the limit is 4, but that is hardware, not software limit. There is no limit in the software.

Audyssey with XT32 and MultEQ or MultEQ-X only measures the separate subs on the first point. From the second point on it's one measurement for the whole subwoofer group. I didn't try directional bass though as many people say it's not worth the effort. Dirac OTOH measures all separate subs on every point so the end result is more consistent over different seats.
Audyssey is a tiny bit more forgiving with infrasonic extension but reduces bass output way to much compared to Dirac, especially with more than 2 subs.

 

[Sal1950]

Audyssey with XT32 and MultEQ or MultEQ-X only measures the separate subs on the first point. From the second point on it's one measurement for the whole subwoofer group.

? Maybe, But my subs are were placed in the room that got the smoothest response doing the bass crawl.
One ended it the front left corner, the other midwall in the rear.
They blend very well with the mains and never call attention to themselfs.
I'm happy.
I know you Dirac guys think it walks on water but it's not the only tree in the forest.
And their definitely are even better DRC systems out there.

 

[dlaloum]

I'd be surprised and saddened to see D&M go full Dirac. As things stand now it not only would add a significant cost to the components and
complexity in setup for average user. Time will tell.

Other than at the high end of their range, there is no reason for D&M to go full Dirac... the Audy costs are sunk, and they can deploy it on all their more economical components at no incremental cost...

For their top components, audy is there providing an excellent base, and then for those who want to get fancy Dirac Live, DLBC, DLART will be available... which is always likely to be a minority... not many people will double the cost of their AVR to add RoomEQ software.

Still, the X3800h will provide the lowest cost point of entry into the world of DL-ART (when the software is released for it in September)

I expect most X3800 buyers won't go down the Dirac path.

 

[Frank207be]

I know you Dirac guys think it walks on water but it's not the only tree in the forest.
And their definitely are even better DRC systems out there.

I only bought Dirac Live Bass Control to get access to ART, the very subject of this topic.

Without ART I would have sticked to MultEQ-X.

 

[Oddball]

? Maybe, But my subs are were placed in the room that got the smoothest response doing the bass crawl.
One ended it the front left corner, the other midwall in the rear.
They blend very well with the mains and never call attention to themselfs.
I'm happy.
I know you Dirac guys think it walks on water but it's not the only tree in the forest.
And their definitely are even better DRC systems out there.

I am definitively not a Dirac fanboy, but ART is the first from the house of Dirac that sounds really exciting.

Better than ART? Well to be seen. Optimizer is probably better overall but then its waweforming decay solution is really absolutely meticulous and expensive to implement. Active speakers like Genelec - would be interesting to have that comparison and not sure what would actually be better.

 

[Frank207be]

And Dirac released yet another teaser on Facebook: From the X3800H up to the A1H

Dirac Live Active Room Treatment is coming soon to select Denon devices. Check the list of supported models and prepare to elevate in-room acoustic performance.

 

[Frank207be]

I am definitively not a Dirac fanboy, but ART is the first from the house of Dirac that sounds really exciting.

Better than ART? Well to be seen. Optimizer is probably better overall but then its waweforming decay solution is really absolutely meticulous and expensive to implement. Active speakers like Genelec - would be interesting to have that comparison and not sure what would actually be better.

I sometimes fantasise what HT I could build without financial constraints....

 

[Oddball]

I sometimes fantasise what HT I could build without financial constraints....

Lol, just reading thread on another forum. £1M Christie PJ setup Audio comes extra .

We are lucky to live at the time where great gear is available at premium, but still attainable prices.

 

[Sal1950]

I am definitively not a Dirac fanboy, but ART is the first from the house of Dirac that sounds really exciting.

Better than ART? Well to be seen. Optimizer is probably better overall but then its waweforming decay solution is really absolutely meticulous and expensive to implement. Active speakers like Genelec - would be interesting to have that comparison and not sure what would actually be better.

We just don't know much for sure yet about ART, but it sure has gotten a marketing blast that has a bunch of folks wringing their hands.
How much better it will be than a TOTL current Dirac bundle and it's final cost is unknown. A big question will be how much the upcharge will be
for folks who already have paid the big bucks for full tilt Dirac?

I am definitively not a Dirac fanboy, but ART is the first from the house of Dirac that sounds really exciting.

Better than ART? Well to be seen. Optimizer is probably better overall but then its waweforming decay solution is really absolutely meticulous and expensive to implement. Active speakers like Genelec - would be interesting to have that comparison and not sure what would actually be better.

Yea, all unanswered questions.
There's also things like pro room calibrations from people like our member @mitchco

Digital Room Calibration Services, Convolver, Headphone Filtersets

We provide digital room calibration for stereo and multichannel. Software provider of audio convolver, plugin host, and headphone filtersets.

accuratesound.ca

 

[Sal1950]

I sometimes fantasise what HT I could build without financial constraints....

Don't we all. I see some of the custom built rooms / systems on AVS Forum that the folks with really deep pocket have, an drool.
I recently visited the home of one of the local audiophiles with a very large custom room with great gear and a huge projector, wow.

 

[Oddball]

On my part no worries. I will slam ART if not bringing up the magic it is supposed to. I am 3/4 there anyway, so if they can't seal the deal for the remaining 1/4 it will be heard.

 

[dlaloum]

We just don't know much for sure yet about ART, but it sure has gotten a marketing blast that has a bunch of folks wringing their hands.
How much better it will be than a TOTL current Dirac bundle and it's final cost is unknown. A big question will be how much the upcharge will be
for folks who already have paid the big bucks for full tilt Dirac?

Pricing is published on the Dirac website:

Dirac ART (requiring DL & DLBC to be there already!) - US$299

StormAudio I.ISP 16.12 – Dirac

DIRAC LIVE FOR StormAudio I.ISP 16.12 Get your license StormAudio I.ISP 16.12 comes with both Room Correction and Bass Control included. However, to truly enjoy...

www.dirac.com

(the Storm processors come with DL & DLBC already included)

"Bundles" with DL and DLBC will possibly be available at a lower price than the sum of the individual licences....

DL = US$349
DLBC= US$299
DLART= US$299

DL + DLBC Bundle = US$599

Denon AVR-X3800H / AVC-X3800H - Dirac

www.dirac.com

Pricing for DL-ART for Denon products is not yet there, as it is not yet available - but they have always been consistent across different hardware platforms... so we can refer to Storm platform Dirac pricing with a high level of confidence

 

[Oddball]

I think Dirac has out-priced themselves many times over. Bass control is just a convenient package for the ones not willing to explore cheaper alternatives.

ART is obviously tempting, but how many would spring this kind of cash - almost double what 3800H costs?

$200 is a price where they could actually see some volume in the game. Like the whole package, not just ART.

 

[dlaloum]

I think Dirac has out-priced themselves many times over. Bass control is just a convenient package for the ones not willing to explore cheaper alternatives.

ART is obviously tempting, but how many would spring this kind of cash - almost double what 3800H costs?

$200 is a price where they could actually see some volume in the game. Like the whole package, not just ART.

$200 is the price level for the D&M MultEQ-X application.... Roughly speaking the equivalent of the base Dirac Live, but from the Audyssey family.
(yes you can run Audyssey without the features of the app... but a heck of a lot of people spend the extra to get the flexibility and user interface provided by the app)

Audyssey without the app is still capable and included in the D&M processors
DL is included with O&I processors

There are bass management capabilities build into both families of AVR's... so many people won't need to add DLBC

But there are things that DLBC does in terms of integrating multiple subs with mains that the base bass management built into the AVR's don't do.

They are particularly valuable to those running multiple subs.

And people running multiple subs, have often paid extra for additional software/hardware to integrate them properly ...

I would not pay extra for DLBC, as I doubt it would provided substantial value in my 5.1.4 setup.

ART on the other hand has the potential to provide audible improvements...
It will most likely cost 50% of the price of an AVR...
So whether it provides value, is definitely up to the individual, but many of us are chomping at the bit to try it out.
I may not be willing to spend the big bucks to step into a Storm/Trinnov/AV10 level processor..... but I am willing to spend for something like an X3800 + Dirac ART.... or an RZ70 + Dirac ART.

We will see where the market is at later this year!

Once it is out on D&M... there will be pressure for JBL, Arcam, NAD, Onkyo, Integra, Monoprice, and others who are partnering with Dirac, to provide ART capabilities.... How slowly or quickly these come to market is a different question - and D&M may well trade on that!