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Denon AVR-X8500H AVR Review
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It processes 15, but you have to add an external amplifier.
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The correct answer is found in the "Connecting 15.1 channel speakers" section of the manual (I won't quote a page number since that varies by region). Basically only 13 of the speaker terminals/preouts are active in 15.1-channel mode, so you can leave unused top layer speakers connected when switching decoders (i.e you can leave two Atmos top layer speakers connected while you switch to Auro3D top center and VOG speakers instead, etc.).
The correct answer is found in the "Connecting 15.1 channel speakers" section of the manual (I won't quote a page number since that varies by region). Basically only 13 of the speaker terminals/preouts are active in 15.1-channel mode, so you can leave unused top layer speakers connected when switching decoders (i.e you can leave two Atmos top layer speakers connected while you switch to Auro3D top center and VOG speakers instead, etc.).
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Probably, they use fairly similar internals/processing.
I think Marantz tries to program in a Marantz sound.
Which is?
It's been measured a few times here. It's distortion. The marantz equivalent to denon always measures worse.
Does that particularly translate into something audible, tho? I'm aware of the measurements and use of hdam, etc.
For most of them but it seems the AV10 will likely be an exception.
Marantz have a slightly smoothed sound signature which some people like and some dont.
Marantz might have accidentally admitted their marketing talks of the HDAM sound, to the subjectivists, or added distortion, to the objectivists, are just hype, not facts.. In the AV10 manual, they, again, I really believe their marketing missed it, so it fell through the crack.
It stated the following (taken directly from page 192 of the owner's manual):
The poor cat is finally out of the bag, it will be next to impossible for them to continue the psychologist guided and engineered marketing strategy lol...
This being the truth means, based on the known science and engineering principle (Electrical/electronic theories, and Fournier analysis etc.):
1) The Marantz sound will become virtually the same as the Denon sound if Filter 2 is selected, or
2) Same as 1) if analog inputs are used and listen in direct or pure direct mode, or
3) Keep it in the "Default" Marantz sound, but it should, in theory, sound the same as the Denon sound for people with normal hearing, if listen to music contents recorded/mastered with sampling frequency above 48 kHz, or even at 48 kHz because at such high sampling rate, even the slow roll off filter will have very little drop from above 10kHz and the ultrasonic harmonics will be much reduced.
If the AV10 was out at the time I opted for the AVM70, I would most likely have kept the Denon AVR and wait for the AV10 price drop over Christmas, Black Friday or something, and then grab it, just because of the Dirac Live option and the ability to enjoy both Marantz and Denon sound.
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Not so simple as a single number.
The X8500H is capable of delivering a closer representation of what is recorded when used as a DAC. The greater accuracy or “electrical transparency” may not be audible.
When used as a receiver with its amplification, it will depend on the load. The X8500H does worse than the cheaper Denon’s at lower power (5W SINAD) but is less likely to clip with power. The “worse” performance may still be inaudible.
Then you have to factor in Room EQ differences.
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I'm not sure you are going to hear a difference. Are you sure you have proper settings on the current system? If you can get it for a good price, then no harm if you are ok with that investment.
What did you hate about the sound?
MOST likely, downloading the Audyssey app or upgrading to the the desktop version will help considerably *unless* your speakers are in a bad location.
Edit: If your speakers are in bad positions, you need Sony or Yamaha.
That may have been the midrange compensation of Audyssey if you were using that.
The MC10 has Dirac and probably measure at least as well as the Arcam SR250, which is pretty good.
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In any case, I don’t think any new receiver will be a meaningful jump in performance given that you Atmos, Dirac and a SINAD somewhere between 94 and 99 dB.
