Thanks for this link.
I can 100% confirm I've noticed this as well. At first I thought it was a defective subwoofer, but I tried it with a different sub from another manufacturer, and the sound was still there. It is only present when running the sweep using Dirac, and only on subwoofer channel 4. It didn't seem to cause noticeable issues with the measurement, as the sound appears to be above normal LFE frequencies and is much lower in volume relative to the sweep, but I definitely hear it standing next to it during the Dirac sweep. It's not there at all under normal listening situations or even when feeding it low frequency sweeps manually (e.g. YouTube, etc).
Anthem Room Correction provided clearest dialogue for me. I wish their avr's weren't so expensive.
Not only that, it is also very disappointing that in order to get two discrete subouts one has to go right to the flagship model. Another minor thing is that those who wants to use their desktop DACs, they won't be able to bypass the ADC/DSP/DAC like the D+M users can. As to "expensive", they don't sell anywhere near as the big guys like Sony, Yamaha, Onkyo, D+M so it is understandable that they have to sell at higher prices. They include a very good mic and stand, that I think is worth an extra 100-$120, or $70-$80 over those cheap looking Yamaha, D+M mics. ARC G, unfortunately, while nice that it is included and the UI looks great, is not effective objectively and relatively to DL and Audy-app. That's a pity because they could easily close the gap if they had made the beautiful app less restricted for manual tweaks. To be clear, I mean objectively. Subjectively, ARC G owners would swear by the RC's effectiveness, though obviously anyone can say anything when no supporting measurements are required. Nothing is perfect, overall, if in Canada, I would definitely think Anthem AVRs are highly recommended when they are on sale.
Unless one has a true reference level center and placed it correctly (in at least half decent room, with decent MLP positioning), it is likely that some EQ might be required either to gain clarity or to tame the speaker in the areas you care about. Even for reference setup, EQ will be needed if one has specific preferences.
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.Infinity RC263 followed by Revel C205 solved dialogue intelligibility issues. Although 205 is a 2 way, I prefer over Infinity.Unless one has a true reference level center and placed it correctly (in at least half decent room, with decent MLP positioning), it is likely that some EQ might be required either to gain clarity or to tame the speaker in the areas you care about. Even for reference setup, EQ will be needed if one has specific preferences.
Comparing the default EQ results from various EQ system might as well be the determining moment for most, and then some might venture into some additional curves to tune to their preferences. How this actually turns out to measure in reality will be difficult to tell without checking with REW what the after-correction result is. And even when one does that the question is what do you do with the results if you can't correlate them to your preferences. The last point requires some really geeky involvement and lots of hours of figuring our what you like or don't like within the limits or acceptable (or not so much so) measurements. And that's only the center speaker. Many have more than that
The point being - most people use completely different process and criteria to compare different speakers and EQ systems in different rooms. So the empirical results are pretty random and recommendations should be taken with a more than few grains of salt.
@peng has done some actual heavy lifting in this area, so kudos to all the great work in that respect
Thanks for the kind words. I just hope we can influence more people so that they wouldn't mind spending around $100-$120 shipped, Umik-1 and REW (free) that would allow them to save a few filters for their DLBC or Adyssey runs that should sound good in different ways based on the measurements that are repeatable. Of course to those who just don't bother finding out what kind of difference they could discern and/or are not really picky on the differences could just run it, leave it and enjoy it.Unless one has a true reference level center and placed it correctly (in at least half decent room, with decent MLP positioning), it is likely that some EQ might be required either to gain clarity or to tame the speaker in the areas you care about. Even for reference setup, EQ will be needed if one has specific preferences.
Comparing the default EQ results from various EQ system might as well be the determining moment for most, and then some might venture into some additional curves to tune to their preferences. How this actually turns out to measure in reality will be difficult to tell without checking with REW what the after-correction result is. And even when one does that the question is what do you do with the results if you can't correlate them to your preferences. The last point requires some really geeky involvement and lots of hours of figuring our what you like or don't like within the limits or acceptable (or not so much so) measurements. And that's only the center speaker. Many have more than that
The point being - most people use completely different process and criteria to compare different speakers and EQ systems in different rooms. So the empirical results are pretty random and recommendations should be taken with a more than few grains of salt.
@peng has done some actual heavy lifting in this area, so kudos to all the great work in that respect
?The Icon's ES9039Q2M has better specs than the 6800's ES9017, but on the test bench, the difference may be less than 3 dB (SINAD) and I doubt it would make audible difference.
My two cents worth. I think you’re really over thinking this. Plug the thing into an HDMI port and be done with it. You’ll never hear the difference.
I'd recommend coaxial. HDMI on the Node is not an output.
The idea would be to have Dirac on both the 6800 (for movies) as well as on the Icon (for stereo music when the 6800 is turned off). Only question is whether Icon can bypass Dirac when taking the analog signal from the 6800 when playing movies.
OK, if you Dirac'd both (the most expensive path) I would use the 6800 for movies and the Node for stereo.
Thanks, my original motivation for adding the Icon was because 1) I needed a streamer, and 2) I was adding an external amp to run 13 speakers. At that point, I thought I can find a way to perhaps utilize the Icon (which had the dual DAC and XLR that was supposed to sound quite good) to bypass the 6800 for times I only wanted music. Then of course I started making things complicated, and probably, as others noted here, for differences that can't realistically be heard/noticed...lol
The RCA to XLR conversion cable also loses the balanced connection (only benefit is an unbalanced connection).
