It is such an odd decision. Why not accept USB audio on the back panel?
Or, even better yet, an Ethernet connection that accepts streaming audio from Roon and the likes thereof. Other integrated amps are almost there or are already doing it; it will just be a matter of time until you see both Ethernet and USB connections that can do the same on some of these big corporate AVR retailers from Sound United, Yamaha, etc., IMHO (or, at least, I HOPE so). However, your best bet for total functionality and best quality may still be an external DAC or high-end DAC/Streamer for quite some time to come. And, then, of course, you will want to get high spec separates in terms of preamp & amps -- YIKES!It is such an odd decision. Why not accept USB audio on the back panel?
If you have a Denon 3700, 4700 or 6700 and use "Pre-amp only" mode in amp assign, then ECO Mode can't be set. The ECO mode setting on the screen is displayed in grey as it's not doing anything. If you have high quality external amps this configuration can provide extremely low noise and distortion.
If the Denon 3700, 4700 or 6700 is setup using internal amps with ECO mode ON, amp power is cut by almost half to reduce heat and electricity usage. As you would expect, this can cause distortion to kick in sooner than with ECO OFF or ECO AUTO mode.
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, then, of course, you will want to get high spec separates in terms of preamp & amps -- YIKES!
Because your confirmation bias won’t allow you to hear its inaudible transparency as equally good? Or is it because you need more power?
Because your confirmation bias won’t allow you to hear its inaudible transparency as equally good? Or is it because you need more power?
Not confirmation bias, if you feel a avr sounds exactly the same as a stereo integrated amp, then fair play to you with your bad ears.
Avr are passable and if you're not too fussed about sound quality they're good enough.
But pale in comparison with hifi gear.
My audiolab system outclasses my avr by massive margin.
Does your audiolab system have bass management? Room correction?
When I listen to my 4700's DAC with Audyssey in preamp mode vs. my Modius DAC with Dirac, the only differences I hear are the differences between Audyssey and Dirac and the extra 2 octaves provided by my subs (thanks to the 4700's bass management). Granted, the speakers are driven by a 300wpc integrated amp in both scenarios. The AVR is so good, I now use it for stereo listening most of the time.
The world is full of audiophiles doing what you just described as a test….and believing it.I have the Denon 4700 setup in full preamp mode and the RME ADI-2 FS sits side by side with Revel F328Be speakers. The RME provides a slightly cleaner stereo sound. You can hear the difference when you A/B between the two. For stereo, I prefer the RME and I move back to the 4700 when enjoying Home Theatre.
This is the tragedy of today's world. A lot of people don't even listen to quality music anymore and just sit on the internet, they play experts without their own experience, and if they don't hear the difference, they don't admit that they can't hear it, but they close it all off with the difference that there is no difference. You have never heard the combination of Denon 4700, RME ADI-2 FS and Revel F328Be but you need to comment on its sound.The world is full of audiophiles doing what you just described as a test….and believing it.
IMO one function of this site is to disabuse you of the notion that the test you described is a valid assessment of sound waves.
You may need to realise they can say the same about other equipment and you. There are some who have the same experience as you but with the addition of science knowledge. Surely that is not too hard to imagine? Good thing it is not a competition.This is the tragedy of today's world. A lot of people don't even listen to quality music anymore and just sit on the internet, they play experts without their own experience, and if they don't hear the difference, they don't admit that they can't hear it, but they close it all off with the difference that there is no difference. You have never heard the combination of Denon 4700, RME ADI-2 FS and Revel F328Be but you need to comment on its sound.
This is the tragedy of today's world. A lot of people don't even listen to quality music anymore and just sit on the internet, they play experts without their own experience, and if they don't hear the difference, they don't admit that they can't hear it, but they close it all off with the difference that there is no difference. You have never heard the combination of Denon 4700, RME ADI-2 FS and Revel F328Be but you need to comment on its sound.