Sorry about that, hope you have better luck in your next pick.Thank you so much for your responses, I think I'm just gonna send it back,
Sorry about that, hope you have better luck in your next pick.Thank you so much for your responses, I think I'm just gonna send it back,
Cheers, it is really cool to find such friendly peopleSorry about that, hope you have better luck in your next pick.
What is your experience with Audyssey? What type of avr were you coming from? Sometimes are experience and expectations can affect the outcome of the product. Audioholics has a great video on the use of Audyssey and to twee it a basic level. This amp came wirh new engineering compared with the last batch, so it may sound different at roll off depending on the amps.8After having spent a couple hours installing the 3800 and going through the whole measurement and installation process with Audyssey it sounds absolutely horrible (I am using just the upmixing options and by now the setup is 7.0)
Is this normal? Should I ignore Audyssey and try to do the setup manually? If so, how could I do it?
I agree it's a strong feature set.View attachment 414063
Someone just “liked” this post I made more than two years ago. Seeing this made me chuckle because I broke down and bought the X3800 for my dedicated theatre room. Would better test results give me peace of mind? Sure. But after enjoying the Denon through countless movies and series the mediocre measurements are academic. The thought of upgrading has never entered my mind.
X3800h = Best <$1K AVR on the market, hands down IMNSHO (sans pure SINAD chasers, and those that can't see the forest for the trees, and all that jazz). What will a 4800 or 6800 really get you? Nothing extra in my case, unless you count the extra funds left-over for speakers - the weakest link in any system!
($1K = Direct from Denon.com / Refurb)
This was my first avr experience, I just followed the Audyssey's intallation app and did not like the results at all; also I do not want to have to spend so much time on setting, testing, resetting, then the device starts upgrading by itself, etc. everything feels way too complicated IMOWhat is your experience with Audyssey? What type of avr were you coming from?
An AVR is a complicated device and room correction for 7.0 setups will hardly be a breezy process, regardless of using either this or another AVR/room correction software. There is always a slight learning curve to deal with in any new device / system, in order to understand the menu structure, where the settings are stored and what does each setting do. It won't take long until you've used it enough to have a better understanding of it, though I guess it will hardly be a plug and play device, particularly if you haven't used a DM AVR before.This was my first avr experience, I just followed the Audyssey's intallation app and did not like the results at all; also I do not want to have to spend so much time on setting, testing, resetting, then the device starts upgrading by itself, etc. everything feels way too complicated IMO
As noted, many "serious" room correction systems will require investment of time and effort. If first time at it, might be 10 hours, might be 20 (including watching videos, etc.), but I would not think it would be more than that to get to decent results.This was my first avr experience, I just followed the Audyssey's intallation app and did not like the results at all; also I do not want to have to spend so much time on setting, testing, resetting, then the device starts upgrading by itself, etc. everything feels way too complicated IMO
I love what A1 Evo (and later Nexus) did for my setup, but it is far from one of the easiest ways. It is probably only easier than the other freeware EQ like REW or MSO. Expect to spend a good chunk of an afternoon learning how to use them - but I can attest it is only challenging the first time. Subsequent attempts are much faster once you're over the learning curve and know your way around REW a little.a tool that provides one of the easiest ways to do room correction
Fair point. Actually have no idea if it does or doesn't. Good that you brought that up.Haven't seen anyone else mention that I don't think OCA's Audyssey One works without a subwoofer.
Also a fair observation!Also, not to nitpick but lets communicate expectations accurately:
I love what A1 Evo (and later Nexus) did for my setup, but it is far from one of the easiest ways. It is probably only easier than the other freeware EQ like REW or MSO. Expect to spend a good chunk of an afternoon learning how to use them - but I can attest it is only challenging the first time. Subsequent attempts are much faster once you're over the learning curve and know your way around REW a little.
Despite it's appeal, both dynamic volume and EQ are doing their "magic" in quite uncontrollable way.As I understand Dirac doesn't have a dynamic volume/eq which to me is a problem.
Presets is something I'm looking into as well with Roon presets as I don't have an AVR at the moment. No success as of yet, but these things take some thought and experimentation. Reason is music can be on for hours as I work from home, and necessarily is kept at a low volume for a good part of that time.Despite it's appeal, both dynamic volume and EQ are doing their "magic" in quite uncontrollable way.
I don't use dynamic volume (better to use dynamic compression if really necessary), but have tried DEQ many times. It does many things right, but then lot of it turns out completely wrong. I find it more predictable to use 4 Audy presets to account for different listening volumes and soundtrack profiles. I get what I was asking for, and nothing on the side.
Certainly no problem just setting a loudness curve as a Roon PEQ filter.Presets is something I'm looking into as well with Roon presets as I don't have an AVR at the moment. No success as of yet, but these things take some thought and experimentation. Reason is music can be on for hours as I work from home, and necessarily is kept at a low volume for a good part of that time.
Hi. Has anybody compared Auddisey and Dirac live at volume lower than reference (85db)? I wonder how well Dirac does since it doesn’t have Dynamic EQ.
They know because they have AI watching us and listening to us...they know all our errors in logic and inability to make rational informed decisions...not to mention 100 years of audio history marketing mumbo jumbo and its telling results in sales numbers. I.E. - most of us have drunk the koolaid of one flavor or another thru marketing influences and are susceptible to its effects...and now AI can measure and quantify it and fully understand it. Its a scary thingForgot one more apparent and may be important fact that applies specifically to the AVR-X3800/4800H and Cinema 50/40, may be because I have make that point so many times now, making it easy to forget lol..:
Price differentials for those are typically 200 to 300 Euros in countries like France and Germany, probably the UK too but in £ so subject to exchange rates.
That's a lot less than the US800 or CAD$1050 for the X3800H vs C50 in the USA and Canada. If I were in the UK, France or Germany, I would go with Marantz for sure.
Regardless, this one fact really tells even D+M/Masimo knows their marketing team is able to take full advantage of the human factor, that, if you give many audiophiles enough reasons/differences, even if those reasons/differences do not result in audible (let alone better) results, they will believe it and therefore willing to pay for differences. Why and how they know North American audiophiles are more susceptible to their marketing hype is a mystery to me.![]()