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Denon AVR-X3600H AV Receiver Review
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Can you a new thread? Happy to provide more ideas but don't want to pollute this x3600h thread
Jannewq,
Just a few simple observations;
- Nice looking room, if anything it is over-treated, looks like it would be a very dead space which would over emphasize any per channel inconsistencies.
- My non-scientific response would be to remove any DSP or EQ devices and use only Audyssey for calibration. I'd also make sure your sub level is set prior to running Audyssey and remove he Harman mid-range curve via the app. Something is causing your center to crossover at 200Hz which seems way too high per your photo.
- The rest is all settings and you have connected all of your moving parts; external amps (what is their voltage demand?), subs, etc. Not to insult anyone's intelligence, but I would take time to retrace all your speaker connections for proper polarity, check which channels are using external amps and make sure they are properly assigned and so on.
Basically I'd start from scratch (reset the Denon), remove your external EQ devices, triple check all of your connections and assignments, re-run Audyssey. don't alter any curves except eliminating Harman dip, listen to it and then tweak the bottom end if needed.
Good luck.
I don't think that is going to be the fix you need, however. There are a couple of other issues I see.
1-Your sub level is -12 which means the level is gain/volume on your subs is most likely too high for Audyssey to cut the level enough
2-With Audyssey you do not really need your antimode. I would also take it out as well as anything else and let Audyssey do its thing
3-Also as noted the crossover of center at 200 does not seem right. You are asking a lot of your sub to play dialogue. Did Audyssey set it there or did you put it there? You might try it a 100
4-A 10db bass boost in the sub curve is excessive in my opinion. As a general rule there is a total 8-10 db boost from 20hz-20khz. Or a harman type of boost seems to be around 4-6boost from around 200 to 20hz. I would drop a point on your audyssey sub curve at 200 at zero and put a second point at +4 or +5db.
I think between your sub amps running too hot (as shown in the -12 trim levels) and your +10 db bass boost your bass may be making your dialogue less clear. That and your center crossover being set at 200hz. If you fix those 2 things I think you dialogue should be much better. But do consider removing some electronics from your chain to simplify things... Audyssey xt32 and Antimode are redundent in my opinion.
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Neither the Dspeaker nor the external crossover is connected. Only the Denon, 1 amp for fronts, subs and center. I did encounter some problems in the beginning with Audyssey because it's sensitiv to gain on the bass. The 200Hz crossover is a recommendation a got and tried. I'm going to re-run the Audyssey with even lower gain setting.
Is it possible to get the audyssey to do only the bass?
Is it possible to get the audyssey to do only the bass?
I'm not aware of any way to use an onboard amp for the subs? Can I assume you mean one amp for each of the front and center speakers and not one amp to power all three speakers? Sorry, just trying to interpret what you are saying. So..... what are you powering with your external amplifiers? Can I also assume you mean that you are using the subwoofer pre-outs for external amplifiers to power your subs?
Maybe send some pics of how you have everything wired / connected. Or get your dealer to send someone over to set everything up, probably cost you a couple hundred bucks depending on how accessible everything is and if they also run Audyssey for you, but will be money well spent.
Hope this is helpful.
HionHiFi
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Yes, from the Audyssey MultiEQ App. In the attached screenshots you can see I’ve limited my Audyssey to 498Hz.
Then upload to receiver.
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Anyone know if any other Denon or Marantz receivers have similar enough components that they may also rate well in Amir’s tests? Like the Denon 4500h, Marantz SR7013, Marantz SR6014??
A lot of components and models to look for. If all rate well or not... Amir's tests.
Inside each model are the shared components with others and with Marantz.
https://encompass.com/modelbrowse/DEN/5/3
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Inside each model are the shared components with others and with Marantz.
https://encompass.com/modelbrowse/DEN/5/3
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Looking at the top Marantz processor reviews, the Marantz AVRs shouldnt score as high as the x3600. But the Denon x4500, x6500 and x8500 should be able to score even higher.
Curious what are you basing this opinion on?
Its all speculation until Amir tests the units but from x3600 as you go higher in the Denon range you get bigger power supply, better DAC and better processing. Once you reach x8500, you have assignable amps on all the channels with the option to turn them off as well as 8 of their highest model DAC for every 2 channels. Implementations is the key but in theory it should perform the best out of all the AVRs tested.
Yes, we need more of themAren’t measurements wonderful
- Rich
That would be far too logical! Haha. We've seen failures in much more pricey pieces with higher end components than the X3600. It seems more about implementation (architecture if you will) than simply a sum of the parts. It would be really cool to see how a "500 series" Denon piece measures compared to the X3600.
Seems Denon got something "right" with this one, especially on the digital side which is where so many AVRs and Processors fall on their face. For $1,100 and ability to full utilize at least two channels of a high quality external amplification for the LR channels I'm not sure I see the need to spend more for the 2018 series AVRs. I am anxious to see what the X4600 and X6600 AVRs look like when they are introduced (when ever that may be).
Yes, its been very disappointing seeing high end components in expensive AVRs and processors perform poorly in Amir's tests, but they have been from different brands. Going by the same brand and higher in the range, I think theres more of a chance in there being improvements after seeing the results of the x3600. Unless something in the engineering changed in 2019, the higher end 2018 models should perform equal or better.
If I'm following the measurements and the conversation correctly:
1. Digital Input + 11.2 Ch Mode (internal FL/FR amp disabled) -> Pre OUT (2V) = 99dB SINAD and 0.001% THD+N
2. Digital Input + (internal FL/FR amp NOT disabled) -> Pre OUT (>1.5V) = high levels of THD and poor SINAD
3. Analog Input -> Internal FL/FR amp (5W, 4ohms) = 88dB SINAD to speakers
Is this right? (Can someone double check my interpretations)?
If so, what about Digital Input -> Internal FL/FR amp? Will THD be poor as in scenario #2? Or perhaps poor only when the Internal FL/FR amp is driving more than the equivalent of 1.5V Pre OUT?
1. Digital Input + 11.2 Ch Mode (internal FL/FR amp disabled) -> Pre OUT (2V) = 99dB SINAD and 0.001% THD+N
2. Digital Input + (internal FL/FR amp NOT disabled) -> Pre OUT (>1.5V) = high levels of THD and poor SINAD
3. Analog Input -> Internal FL/FR amp (5W, 4ohms) = 88dB SINAD to speakers
Is this right? (Can someone double check my interpretations)?
If so, what about Digital Input -> Internal FL/FR amp? Will THD be poor as in scenario #2? Or perhaps poor only when the Internal FL/FR amp is driving more than the equivalent of 1.5V Pre OUT?
I think it’s been mentioned before although I own the Denon X4200 and run it with 9.1 assignment. (Setting on pre out to fronts). Guessing it should behave similar to the X3600. I’m using separate pre amps on all channels. (Monoblocks and stereo amp)
It sounds good with music and movies and I can’t tell any difference than maybe better from my Onkyo 5509 pre pro.
Overall happy but it would be interesting to see measurements on the unit. Maybe someone will send it in. (I live in Sweden).
It sounds good with music and movies and I can’t tell any difference than maybe better from my Onkyo 5509 pre pro.
Overall happy but it would be interesting to see measurements on the unit. Maybe someone will send it in. (I live in Sweden).
I need a new AV pre seen onkyo 5509 cheap spec wise its plenty for me however hdmi failures a concern.
Yes the HDMI board was replaced and now when I bought the X4200 I sold the Onkyo most due to testing the cheaper receiver instead and I don’t think I’m going back any time soon.
