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Denon AVR-A10H 13.4-Channel Receiver announced!

And if you are going to dream, dream BIG! :);)

This is my dream! I would be happy for the rest of my life!

I am HUMBLE! ;)

If I lived in the US, everything would be easier. Here in Brazil, to have this system, you have to be very rich. The dollar is worth 6 x 1 in Brazil.;)

Not to mention the difficulty in accessing the equipment. Few companies can keep up with the cost of imports. What costs 4.000 dollars in the US arrives here for 8.000 dollars. The tax here is a rip-off... Absurd!!!! That's why my dream is not as big as yours! :(
 
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You need to start reading more on this site. If you are here to learn, you could learn a great deal.

Don't let the headline fool you:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...ts-did-show-amplifiers-to-sound-different.23/

With all due respect.

I think the forum is a very interesting tool to obtain equipment information and personal reports by certain brands.
There are many helpful people on the forum.

Writing that audio is all the same is the same as saying that the Corolla is the same as a Mercedes C300. In this case, it is impossible to debate seriously.

Now the auditory experience only by visiting fairs, show rooms of specialized stores and at friends' houses with good level systems.
I did this for years and thanks to that I listened to great systems during this journey.
Internet review about the sound of a certain brand is a north, but not always what is good for it will be for you.
The ideal is to listen to the signature of the Stereo equipment before buying it.
In the US it is much quieter to have access to the equipment and you can still return it if you don't like it.
Here in Brazil there is no such possibility.
As I said before, in my country everything is more expensive and with a lot of bureaucracy.
You live in the electronic paradise.
I won't go back to this subject anymore. It's getting boring.

I stopped here!
 
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At least you didn't learn anything.
Keep in mind people who dream don't always know they are dreaming until they got out of it. Same for Placebo effects and other kinds of bias, those affected, more often than not, wouldn't know they were affected by such effects, lol... I doubt it is something that can be learnt, or even need to be learnt as such especially for those who has the time (such as to audition a large number of combinations of devices and money to spend. I decided not to debate with anyone on subjective matters related to this hobby any more once I realized there's no point.
 

Keep in mind people who dream don't always know they are dreaming until they got out of it. Same for Placebo effects and other kinds of bias, those affected, more often than not, wouldn't know they were affected by such effects, lol... I doubt it is something that can be learnt, or even need to be learnt as such especially for those who has the time (such as to audition a large number of combinations of devices and money to spend. I decided not to debate with anyone on subjective matters related to this hobby any more once I realized there's no point.

The topic is about the Denon A10H and due to a comparison I made in MY system led to another subject.
If the person doesn't believe in differences, I can't do anything.
That's why I wrote that ignorance is a blessing. The guy who only rode the Corolla will say it's the best car in the world.
Since there is no difference, because it is a placebo effect, it is more feasible to buy a $300 receiver with inbox boxes and close the forum.
At least everyone's reference would be the same and everyone would be happy.
 
If you were to read some of the threads I have linked to, you would see that you are the outlier here. No one on this forum shares your impressions. You have been misled by a dishonest business. Notice how none of the amplifier or DAC reviews on this site have listening impressions in them. Ever wonder why?
 
I think we all have the right to disagree and there are different points in the audio journey that some of us are experiencing which I find quite normal.

Some 30 years ago I had a HI-FI rack (can't recall the brand) where the idea was to tighten the screws on each shelf (aka adjust the hight vertically) and put the pressure via rubber feet on the components until you "tune" them just right. I was really digging it. And the tube amps with it :facepalm:.
 
If you were to read some of the threads I have linked to, you would see that you are the outlier here. No one on this forum shares your impressions. You have been misled by a dishonest business. Notice how none of the amplifier or DAC reviews on this site have listening impressions in them. Ever wonder why?V

You're an internet audiophile. I'm not even going to waste my time with you anymore.
 
I think we all have the right to disagree and there are different points in the audio journey that some of us are experiencing which I find quite normal.

Some 30 years ago I had a HI-FI rack (can't recall the brand) where the idea was to tighten the screws on each shelf (aka adjust the hight vertically) and put the pressure via rubber feet on the components until you "tune" them just right. I was really digging it. And the tube amps with it :facepalm:.


Tube amplifiers are another interesting thing to enjoy. I have some friends who have tube systems. The sound is very relaxing and pleasant to listen to, but since I don't have access to tubes I prefer solid state.

Big hug!
 
Tube amplifiers are another interesting thing to enjoy. I have some friends who have tube systems. The sound is very relaxing and pleasant to listen to, but since I don't have access to tubes I prefer solid state.

Big hug!
They sound the same as solid state amplifiers

 
I think we all have the right to disagree and there are different points in the audio journey that some of us are experiencing which I find quite normal.

Some 30 years ago I had a HI-FI rack (can't recall the brand) where the idea was to tighten the screws on each shelf (aka adjust the hight vertically) and put the pressure via rubber feet on the components until you "tune" them just right. I was really digging it. And the tube amps with it :facepalm:.

That's my point too about no point debating on such a hot topic.

Long time ago, everytime I auditioned expensive electronic gear and speakers, or live classical concerts, I would get disappointed with my own electronics and speakers when I got home.

In recent years, that changed, as my stuff are way better now, not super expensive, but are 2 channel separates that have verified specs that indicate they should be transparent enough. In my experience, for audibly better sound quality I would use DLBC and stick with high quality recordings (streaming, or purchases from the lines of HDtracks, but not electronics and speakers that cost more than $50-$500k (auditioned a few of those recently). That's just me, and I am aware that others may believe in expensive interconnects, cables, power cords, power conditioners, even isolating feet too, let alone electronics, would make obvious differences. People are just different, and it is often easier to agree to disagree for good reasons. Just case in point, one thing that may be easy to literally agree, is that a $400 integrated amp, let alone a $300 receiver will not sound the same as a $5,000 AVR or a $4,000 pair of separate pre/power amp. Point of diminishing return likely is applicable here too, and I'll just stop right here.
 
That's my point too about no point debating on such a hot topic.

Long time ago, everytime I auditioned expensive electronic gear and speakers, or live classical concerts, I would get disappointed with my own electronics and speakers when I got home.

In recent years, that changed, as my stuff are way better now, not super expensive, but are 2 channel separates that have verified specs that indicate they should be transparent enough. In my experience, for audibly better sound quality I would use DLBC and stick with high quality recordings (streaming, or purchases from the lines of HDtracks, but not electronics and speakers that cost more than $50-$500k. That's just me, and I am aware that others may believe in expensive interconnects, cables, power cords, power conditioners, even isolating feet too, let alone electronics, would make obvious differences. People are just different, and it is often easier to agree to disagree for good reasons. Just case in point, one thing that may be easy to literally agree, is that a $400 integrated amp, let alone a $300 receiver will not sound the same as a $5,000 AVR or a $4,000 pair of separate pre/power amp. Point of diminishing return likely is applicable here too, and I'll just stop right here.

I respect you for being a helpful guy and having a lot of knowledge about the theoretical side of the hobby. Even if we don't agree, you've always been polite to me. ;)
Just compare equipment with the same market value. A $5,000 AVR vs. a $5,000 integrated. How cowardly! I've already given my point of view and everyone believes what they want. This hobby is amazing and thanks to it I've heard a lot of music and met a lot of cool people.

I can't wait to set up the system again
 
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That's my point too about no point debating on such a hot topic.

Long time ago, everytime I auditioned expensive electronic gear and speakers, or live classical concerts, I would get disappointed with my own electronics and speakers when I got home.

In recent years, that changed, as my stuff are way better now, not super expensive, but are 2 channel separates that have verified specs that indicate they should be transparent enough. In my experience, for audibly better sound quality I would use DLBC and stick with high quality recordings (streaming, or purchases from the lines of HDtracks, but not electronics and speakers that cost more than $50-$500k (auditioned a few of those recently). That's just me, and I am aware that others may believe in expensive interconnects, cables, power cords, power conditioners, even isolating feet too, let alone electronics, would make obvious differences. People are just different, and it is often easier to agree to disagree for good reasons. Just case in point, one thing that may be easy to literally agree, is that a $400 integrated amp, let alone a $300 receiver will not sound the same as a $5,000 AVR or a $4,000 pair of separate pre/power amp. Point of diminishing return likely is applicable here too, and I'll just stop right here.
It's still pitty that you ditched your Brystons :facepalm:. Regardless that they measure worse than your D class. Every day I power them (individually and with care), I feel 15 years younger :D.
 
It's still pitty that you ditched your Brystons :facepalm:. Regardless that they measure worse than your D class. Every day I power them (individually and with care), I feel 15 years younger :D.
Mine is the SST version so distortions is a little higher than tbe SST2/3 but the nice thing about that version is, class A up to almost 25 W, so I would have been listening to class A mode most if not all of the time as I rarely listened to more than 75 dB average.

I still have a few class AB amps including my Marantz SC-7 and SM-7.
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Mine is the SST version so distortions is a little higher than tbe SST2/3 but the nice thing about that version is, class A up to almost 25 W, so I would have been listening to class A mode most if not all of the time as I rarely listened to more than 75 dB average.

I still have a few class AB amps including my Marantz SC-7 and SM-7.View attachment 438049
Good to know that you did not give the whole store away to the progress :D. These are amazing amps and looking so cool. Hope you are enjoying them.
 
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