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Denon 2023 range X3900H/X4900H/X6800H announcement....!!??

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Lost the front panel HDMI port, not thrilled to see that. That gets a lot of use for me
 

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In the Audioholics preview of the X6800, it was mentioned that it would come with Sony's "360 Spatial Sound technology" - which is, I believe, capable of virtual speaker repositioning....

That is an interesting combination.
 

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In the Audioholics preview of the X6800, it was mentioned that it would come with Sony's "360 Spatial Sound technology" - which is, I believe, capable of virtual speaker repositioning....

That is an interesting combination.
If it used the same sort of speaker placement compensation system as, say, the Sony AZ5000ES uses, that would be potentially awesome, but it doesn't sound that way from the fine print. The Denon site says: "Select Denon AV receivers are capable of 360 Reality Audio playback by connecting a 360RA streaming device via HDMI"

I don't like the sound of that - it sounds more like "we'll convert Sony's proprietary sound formats to Dolby Atmos/ Auro-3D, but we won't integrate with any Sony services - you'll need a separate device for that".

I don't know if this is related, but I suspect it is: recently Sony announced a conversion system for their Playstation consoles that allows people with a Dolby Atmos setup, to get the full surround experience from games that use their proprietary 3D Audio.
 

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Lost the front panel HDMI port, not thrilled to see that. That gets a lot of use for me
It has been removed from all Denon/Marantz new models. I use it every time to A/B different masterings using my laptop via HDMI on my Denon x6400h. The front panel HDMI will be missed when I upgrade.
 

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Equivalent of DEQ would be dolby volume. I think it is not present on Denon/Dirac either. And it has limited use anyway.
The Dolby suite has both "night mode" (compression, aka dolby volume in earlier versions) and "Loudness" - which is a fletcher-munson'ish loudness compensation adjustment... The Audyssey suite includes both functions too - and allows the user to enable or disable either one individually.
 

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The Dolby suite has both "night mode" (compression, aka dolby volume in earlier versions) and "Loudness" - which is a fletcher-munson'ish loudness compensation adjustment.
Are you taking about Denon or in general? I think Denon supports only compression in DD.
Anyway, processing specific to DD is not an alternative for DEQ, which applies to all sound formats.
 

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In the Audioholics preview of the X6800, it was mentioned that it would come with Sony's "360 Spatial Sound technology" - which is, I believe, capable of virtual speaker repositioning....

That is an interesting combination.
It's not their 360 remapping (soundbar) tech. It's just playback support for MPEG-H, which Sony has rebranded 360RA.
 

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From the Denon product page
That is a lot less interesting... :(


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Anyone see any appreciable differences between the Marantz AV10 and the Denon 6800?

The Marantz AV10 includes better DAC's, seems to measure well (or at least a lot better than most Marantz models of the past), and does 9.1.6 Dolby Atmos and DTS: X processing rather than 9.1.4 in the 6800 (remember, any sub out past one is derived via bass management - both units have four sub outs and will be upgraded to Dirac ART with a paid licensing fee). Since the AV10 is a pre-amp and not a receiver it has XLR outs as well for a more secure and possibly cleaner signal connection.

The AV10 may run cooler as well if past Marantz and Denon receivers are any indication because it has no amp section and the parts are spread out in the chassis with room to breathe.
 

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The Marantz AV10 includes better DAC's, seems to measure well (or at least a lot better than most Marantz models of the past), and does 9.1.6 Dolby Atmos and DTS: X processing rather than 9.1.4 in the 6800 (remember, any sub out past one is derived via bass management - both units have four sub outs and will be upgraded to Dirac ART with a paid licensing fee). Since the AV10 is a pre-amp and not a receiver it has XLR outs as well for a more secure and possibly cleaner signal connection.

The AV10 may run cooler as well if past Marantz and Denon receivers are any indication because it has no amp section and the parts are spread out in the chassis with room to breathe.
The AV10 is $3500 more expensive. Not a comparable product.
 

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Denon's parent company MASI stock down from 196 to 88.39 in last 6 months. The company may not exist a year from now. Who wants to make a large investment in an AVR when the company is financially unstable?
 

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That's right. If you use internal amp, then performance is not limited by preamp. If you don't, then you probably won't hear the difference ;)


Wasn't like this already? I mean new models with minor changes each year and about 2-3 years to get some real upgrade? They still can do it.


Reliable firmware? Some real support for HDMI-CEC? I guess it could be done as a minor upgrade ;)

Hdmi-cec is broken in the design and cannot be made more reliable by firmware. It only takes one rouge device in your setup and the whole thing goes bananas...

I guess an AVR can be designed with multiple hdmi-cec networks (one for each hdmi input and output) with additional routing between them...
 

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Hdmi-cec is broken in the design and cannot be made more reliable by firmware. It only takes one rouge device in your setup and the whole thing goes bananas...

I guess an AVR can be designed with multiple hdmi-cec networks (one for each hdmi input and output) with additional routing between them...

I have an apple TV and PS5 and Hdmi-cec seems to be working fine.

What rogue devices are you guys using?
 

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