Denon 2023 range X3900H/X4900H/X6800H announcement....!!??

[EWL5]

Does Denon AVR-X3900H support Apple Music Spatial Audio over AirPlay2?

I believe that's one of the advantages over my 3800 but I'm not 100% positive.

 

[EWL5]

And of course I’m seeing this just outside the return window on my 3800 <sigh>.

EDIT: I had seen something suggesting they increased the uF of the main caps (which IMHO would have been worth the extra $100) but cant find that reference now. Only thing I can find on that subject now is mention of "...the power supply filtering capacitors (anode foil and sleeve) have been redesigned (whatever that means).

There isn't an actual capacitor rating mentioned but my favorite Taiwanese site had this to say about the 3900 (translated to English by Google):

"The power supply section has also been upgraded, and its block capacitors directly adopt the high-end specifications of the flagship AVC-A1H, including the same foil and electrolyte materials, with repeated fine-tuning of the tensile strength and winding tension of the inner foil. This design, which does not use fixatives, makes the power supply cleaner and more stable, providing a more solid power foundation for the entire amplifier, and allowing this mid-range model to exhibit a sound closer to that of high-end models."

Denon AVR-X3900H 環擴評測：電影音效強悍，擴充性極大，性能表現超越尋常中階機種

近年因為Soundbar大行其道，讓許多廠商投入開發，也連帶讓許多消費者的目光優先聚焦於Soundbar型產品上，導致這兩年環繞擴大機的新產品偏少，尤其是中階製品更是如此。但只要是稍有經驗的玩家就知道，正規多聲道家庭劇院的魅力絕對不是Soundbar能相比的，尤其是聲音能量的厚度、環繞音效的包圍感，不需要旗艦級製品，中階等 ...

www.audionet.com.tw

 

[SynthesisCinema]

There isn't an actual capacitor rating mentioned but my favorite Taiwanese site had this to say about the 3900 (translated to English by Google):

"The power supply section has also been upgraded, and its block capacitors directly adopt the high-end specifications of the flagship AVC-A1H, including the same foil and electrolyte materials, with repeated fine-tuning of the tensile strength and winding tension of the inner foil. This design, which does not use fixatives, makes the power supply cleaner and more stable, providing a more solid power foundation for the entire amplifier, and allowing this mid-range model to exhibit a sound closer to that of high-end models."

Denon AVR-X3900H 環擴評測：電影音效強悍，擴充性極大，性能表現超越尋常中階機種

近年因為Soundbar大行其道，讓許多廠商投入開發，也連帶讓許多消費者的目光優先聚焦於Soundbar型產品上，導致這兩年環繞擴大機的新產品偏少，尤其是中階製品更是如此。但只要是稍有經驗的玩家就知道，正規多聲道家庭劇院的魅力絕對不是Soundbar能相比的，尤其是聲音能量的厚度、環繞音效的包圍感，不需要旗艦級製品，中階等 ...

www.audionet.com.tw

They are probably still from ELNA and the rating for Cinema 50 (S1) caps is 2x 12,000μF 71V. The Japan made Cinema 40 has 2x 15,000μF 71V just like Denon X4800H.

I was in contact with Marantz and Denon about this and only Marantz replied;

" The upgrade is in the capacitors' materials and construction rather than their rating.

As described in the press material you quoted, the new capacitors were developed based on our flagship models, including the foil and electrolyte materials and the winding tension. These were fine-tuned through listening evaluations by our Sound Master team.

We don't publish further component details, such as capacitor suppliers or internal measurements, beyond what's in the product specifications and owner's manual. "

 

[EWL5]

They are probably still from ELNA and the rating for Cinema 50 (S1) caps is 2x 12,000μF 71V. The Japan made Cinema 40 has 2x 15,000μF 71V just like Denon X4800H.

I was in contact with Marantz and Denon about this and only Marantz replied;

" The upgrade is in the capacitors' materials and construction rather than their rating.

As described in the press material you quoted, the new capacitors were developed based on our flagship models, including the foil and electrolyte materials and the winding tension. These were fine-tuned through listening evaluations by our Sound Master team.

We don't publish further component details, such as capacitor suppliers or internal measurements, beyond what's in the product specifications and owner's manual. "

Not a surprise since the marketing speak from Marantz is just about identical to what I referenced from the Taiwanese site. In other words, they basically confirmed the capacitor rating is identical to the prior generation and the difference is in how they "wrap the coils and use a different type of foil". They might as well say their binding posts are set differently too while they're at it! LOL!

I don't know if I could ever buy a Marantz product now just on principle alone since it's such a snake oil company (this is even if the pricing dropped to reasonable levels like in some parts of the world).

 

[peng]

Not a surprise since the marketing speak from Marantz is just about identical to what I referenced from the Taiwanese site. In other words, they basically confirmed the capacitor rating is identical to the prior generation and the difference is in how they "wrap the coils and use a different type of foil". They might as well say their binding posts are set differently too while they're at it! LOL!

I don't know if I could ever buy a Marantz product now just on principle alone since it's such a snake oil company (this is even if the pricing dropped to reasonable levels like in some parts of the world).

Their marketing team has some talented members, think HDAM, DAC filters, gold plated RCA connectors, now block cap's material, constructions, all fine tuned by their "sound master". Surely Denon benefited from some of those except HDAM and gold, but fine tuned by a different sound master, who determined the final sound signature, punchy, neutral, accurate versus warm, sweet, smooth, musical...blablabla, they must be pleased that so many of their fans hear and confirmed their golden ears equipped sound masters are the best, beating their non D+M competitors who apparently could not afford to hire/use sound masters and have to rely on the lowly designers, engineers, and bench measurements only....