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Denon 2023 range X3900H/X4900H/X6800H announcement....!!??

Oddball said:
Can you pls link to the entire review? Seems like Ogata-san is connecting HDAMs to D-class in a way that we would not expect.

Just for some context, my favourite D&M marketing clip. Real fun and Garry just knocked it our of the ball-park couple of times. Best parts are 3.30 to 6:00. Definition of warmth, plus some golden ears stuff.


There is of course an obvious reason to move to D class with 16 ch amp. And has nothing to do with HDAMs or synergy, just thermal management and overall performance.
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Golden ear. Yeah funny stuff. :D

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SynthesisCinema said:
The eCoustics youtube clip "Onkyo surprises at CES 2026 with with New Line of A/V Receivers..." mentions that RZ31 will have 11ch processing at +2min mark and it makes fully sense as X3900H has that one too. Add ART support with ESS DAC and you have very competitive product possibly again at lower price point. But the objective performance may not be as good versus Denon as how things are implemented matters. We have also seen in past with Onkyo NR6100 and RZ50 some odd behaviour with the "limp mode" etc. How much these translates for real world usage is another matter..
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I see that in the video now (thanks!). If true, then the RZ31 does become a 3900 killer (pending the number of discrete SW outs)!

I've been fairly biased where I feel the price point gives an idea of whether the product has "unintended 4 ohm mode" or not. The predecessors of the RZ31 will tell you that it will most likely be there but since they're going more upscale with the channel processing, I am leaving the possibility this may be addressed as well.

I would be very surprised if the RZ51 had 13 channel processing but that possibility has increased due to this RZ31 revelation.
 
EWL5 said:
I see that in the video now (thanks!). If true, then the RZ31 does become a 3900 killer (pending the number of discrete SW outs)!

I've been fairly biased where I feel the price point gives an idea of whether the product has "unintended 4 ohm mode" or not. The predecessors of the RZ31 will tell you that it will most likely be there but since they're going more upscale with the channel processing, I am leaving the possibility this may be addressed as well.

I would be very surprised if the RZ51 had 13 channel processing but that possibility has increased due to this RZ31 revelation.
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Did I hear it right that the RZ31 has 4 discrete subouts, or just 4 subouts?
If it has 4 discrete subouts and 11 channels processing, then between it and the X3900H will boil down to price, in terms a) no DL licenses included and b) DL licenses included and whether the RZ31 can do ART, I guess no clear winner there, but the picture should become clearer in a few months.
 
peng said:
Did I hear it right that the RZ31 has 4 discrete subouts, or just 4 subouts?
If it has 4 discrete subouts and 11 channels processing, then between it and the X3900H will boil down to price, in terms a) no DL licenses included and b) DL licenses included and whether the RZ31 can do ART, I guess no clear winner there, but the picture should become clearer in a few months.
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Not sure the # of SW outs are disclosed yet.

I think the RZ71 is rumored to have 6!
 
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EWL5 said:
Not sure the # of SW outs are disclosed yet.

I think the RZ71 is rumored to have 6!
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In the CES2026 video the gentleman said 4 subouts for the RZ31, at the 4 minute time mark.

He did not say discrete but if there are 4, they likely will be discrete. I assume he is someone from Ecoustics, not Onkyo so I wouldn’t consider the info is official.

 
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B-Flow said:
And of course I’m seeing this just outside the return window on my 3800 <sigh>.

In truth though the only thing new that interests me, and I would have paid the $100 difference for, is they allegedly upped the caps in the 3900 to 2x15k (compared to 2x12k). That and the backlit remote…
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Just grab a buckeyeamp NC502MP for your LCR and you will be way ahead.
 
peng said:
He did not say discrete but if there are 4, they likely will be discrete.
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Or maybe like Pioneer LX805, which has 4 sub outputs but 2 processing channels.
 
popej said:
Or maybe like Pioneer LX805, which has 4 sub outputs but 2 processing channels.
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Didn’t know that, but that would still be good enough for a lot of people.
 
B-Flow said:
And of course I’m seeing this just outside the return window on my 3800 <sigh>.

In truth though the only thing new that interests me, and I would have paid the $100 difference for, is they allegedly upped the caps in the 3900 to 2x15k (compared to 2x12k). That and the backlit remote…
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Interesting. Where did you hear this? It would bring X3900H on par with X4800H / X6800H (almost). The power transformer is still slightly heftier on the 4000/6000.

X3800H - 2x 12,000μF 71V, el-core weight 4,2kg
X4800H - 2x 15,000μF 71V, el-core weight 4,9kg
X6800H - 2x 15,000μF x2 73V, el-core weight 5,3kg
 
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SynthesisCinema said:
Golden ear. Yeah funny stuff. :D

www.ecoustics.com

Marantz AV 30 Home Theater Preamp/Processor Review: Power of Separation

For those who think AV receivers are lacking in functionality or performance, Marantz has a solution for you, and it won't break the bank.
www.ecoustics.com www.ecoustics.com
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A good demo of how/why I think Marantz marketing is among the best, they understand if something, even heavily bias, bs etc. are said and repeated enough time, people would believe it as facts Lol.. Good thing their engineering is also very good, likely benefit from Denon as well when they joined force years ago and seemed to work effectively on synergy and standardization. The only somewhat negative thing of all these, might be just the added costs, hence the premium they charged (based on list prices) for those who prefer Marantz, often but not always/or only based on aesthetic.
 
I am most curious about this feature:
Channel Expander (screenshot taken from x3900 manual).
Trying to figure out what this does in practice. Is it an upmixer type of feature for non atmos material? If so we already have Dolby Surround as well as others such as DTS Neural X or Auro 3D.
Or is this something more to help with Atmos channels that are silent due to how they were mastered?
Stormaudio has something called StormXT which works well for speakers that are outside of the speaker layout to make use of them. For example, if you have Center Height which is not part of an atmos layout, it will use that speaker with Atmos content.
It will be interesting to see what this Channel Expander feature actually is and if it will be included with other prior models via a firmware update.
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mlsds said:
Still not even one 3900 on Amir's hands? :p
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Amir is usually not the first to review something, except for a few Chinese-made equipment like Topping as they prefer sending to him (as they know the devices will measure well and add to the buzz)
otherwise unless Denon sent one to him (not likely), or a member did (also unlikely, the set of members who are interested in this AVR, can pay MSRP and afford to drop ship to him is pretty small)
 
Obviously I am joking guys. I guess I am not the only one eagerly waiting for the specific review.
 
EWL5 said:
I think you'll be waiting a while. I love my 3800 and can't justify anything new at the moment!
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most of us are not thinking about buying this "right now", as always - curious about performance especially DAC which was a weak point of x3800h - and buy when the price is "right" ;)
 
delta76 said:
most of us are not thinking about buying this "right now", as always - curious about performance especially DAC which was a weak point of x3800h - and buy when the price is "right" ;)
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Well, it might be the right time to sell "last-gen" AVRs before getting the new ones... use 2 channel system for a while and get current-gen as soon as there is an OK deal
 
delta76 said:
Amir is usually not the first to review something, except for a few Chinese-made equipment like Topping as they prefer sending to him (as they know the devices will measure well and add to the buzz)
otherwise unless Denon sent one to him (not likely), or a member did (also unlikely, the set of members who are interested in this AVR, can pay MSRP and afford to drop ship to him is pretty small)
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I'm sending one to Amir, should be on its way in a week or two. Add an extra week for ground shipping. Not sure his schedule so it might be a month or two beyond that. Hard to drop-ship with listenup on pre-release stuff but I'm doing my part! Guess it was good timing for my T758 to finally die.

Really hoping they paid attention to the loss of performance in the 3700->3800 refresh, and brought it back with the 3900.
 
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