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Denafrips ARES II USB R2R DAC Review

Reading last few pages got a question. If SMSL for 400, Ares for 1100 are transparent enough and further improvements are beyond human listening capabilities... Than why to buy more expensive Aquarius? And even 3k - 4k dollars DACs? Just why?
 
Reading last few pages got a question. If SMSL for 400, Ares for 1100 are transparent enough and further improvements are beyond human listening capabilities... Than why to buy more expensive Aquarius? And even 3k - 4k dollars DACs? Just why?
Susceptibility to well targeted marketing?
 
Reading last few pages got a question. If SMSL for 400, Ares for 1100 are transparent enough and further improvements are beyond human listening capabilities... Than why to buy more expensive Aquarius? And even 3k - 4k dollars DACs? Just why?
It is just marketing. People want to believe that there is something there which they have not experienced. That is basically it.
A long time ago these kinds of expensive devices actually gave you something for your money, because manufacturing wasn't as precise as it is now and good designs that actually were able to faithfully reproduce music were complex like these niche products.
However today you can get literally fully transparent performance from a dongle that costs under $100, or arguably even under $10 for some cases.
We have just solved "sound" as a problem with modern day semiconductors.
 
Reading last few pages got a question. If SMSL for 400, Ares for 1100 are transparent enough and further improvements are beyond human listening capabilities... Than why to buy more expensive Aquarius? And even 3k - 4k dollars DACs? Just why?

People like good stories. They don't have to be true.
 
Reading last few pages got a question. If SMSL for 400, Ares for 1100 are transparent enough and further improvements are beyond human listening capabilities... Than why to buy more expensive Aquarius? And even 3k - 4k dollars DACs? Just why?
Could be the old "expenditures rise to equal income" routine.
 
Reading last few pages got a question. If SMSL for 400, Ares for 1100 are transparent enough and further improvements are beyond human listening capabilities... Than why to buy more expensive Aquarius? And even 3k - 4k dollars DACs? Just why?

One part of the audiophile mythos is the idea that there's no limit to human listening capabilities whatsoever. All tests showing limits are ignored on the basis of claims about the test procedure "tainting" the listening capabilities of the test subjects, or the test subjects not being "true audiophiles", or some other random grasp at straws.

Another part of the mythos is the idea that any big, complicated, antiquated and expensive design per definition sounds more "warm", "natural" and "alive", compared to cheap modern effective solutions that automatically sound "sterile" and "dead".

These two things clashes hard with the unwritten rule that you pay more for higher transparency. And so, there's this bizarre acceptance of a cop out that says "audiophile approved" colorations (even the imaginary ones) somehow magically makes things sound more transparent than actual transparency.

Also, humans generally love to buy new shiny toys, and will gladly throw scepticism and rational thinking out the window when doing so :D
 
People who can afford the $$$ gear like to make believe they are getting more out of their music, and look down on poor ham-and-eggers who can't afford to pay a mint on gear. You can get a really wonderful complete setup for under $1K. If you have extra cash, put it in good speakers.
Just IMO
 
People who can afford the $$$ gear like to make believe they are getting more out of their music, and look down on poor ham-and-eggers who can't afford to pay a mint on gear. You can get a really wonderful complete setup for under $1K. If you have extra cash, put it in good speakers.
Just IMO
Green eggs and ham is the wrong book at XMAS time.
You sort of need to reference “The Grinch that stole XMAS.”
 
People who can afford the $$$ gear like to make believe they are getting more out of their music, and look down on poor ham-and-eggers who can't afford to pay a mint on gear. You can get a really wonderful complete setup for under $1K. If you have extra cash, put it in good speakers.
Just IMO
I think both sides look down on the other, it is the modern way.
 
People who can afford the $$$ gear like to make believe they are getting more out of their music, and look down on poor ham-and-eggers who can't afford to pay a mint on gear. You can get a really wonderful complete setup for under $1K. If you have extra cash, put it in good speakers.
Just IMO
I've actually seen more of the exact opposite. Usually it's the ham and Eggers who look down on people with more expensive gear and proclaim they've wasted their money.
 
I've actually seen more of the exact opposite. Usually it's the ham and Eggers who look down on people with more expensive gear and proclaim they've wasted their money.

I think there is a fair bit of that, mostly aimed at those who believe more $$$ must equal better sound. Most around here don't care if people buy expensive stuff, but if they start telling us what we're missing out on in terms of newly removed veils and that lush midrange that only comes with those big $$$, you know, like they claim pretty much everywhere in audiophool land, they may get a little pushback.

If one is sold a fancy digital cable for $5k because he wants to improve the sound, I believe he's been taken advantage of due to simple ignorance. If the only goal is to improve the actual sound waves hitting his ears has he wasted his money?
 
So one of you bums finally sent me a mint Ares II for cheap -- thank you very, very much!

I hooked it up to my Violectric V280 using some new XLR cables, and to make things simple at first, connected my old Sony CD player to the Ares II via digital out. Grabbed the first disc in my pile, which just happened to be "Anne Dudley Plays the Art of Noise".

Put on the old HD800's, pressed play and... OMG. This thing did not disappoint! I was ECSTATIC! On the first track, a triangle percussive instrument is used, and each time it was struck my brain lit up like a Christmas tree! The reverberation trails throughout the first song were fantastic!!

Suffice to say, this is exactly how you want your first listen to be.
 
Yeah, nah, yeah...

I got a unit for a great price since I traded these magical interconnect cables on top of my money stack to it. I don't understand what is so hard to understand in people buying this kind of stuff?

I myself couldn't hear any kind of difference between this and that streamer in the corner of my room (Cambridge Audio SM6 with some Wolfson converters that are also in some kind of cult reputation, do people even know what the chips do and what happens everywhere around the chip? That's not wrong, but you should study also what happens around it to know if it matters who is manufacturing the chip and what are the things it really does but magically throws music in your brains). Still I bought it because that thing in the corner has it's PSU dead. Well, this turns on and off.

I could've gotten a few buck DAC too. Why not? Well, I'm going for a trip soon and the deal, daily eyeing on market prices of everything that has something to do with audio.

Interest in electronics generally.

Need for exacly the I/O capabilities of this thing

Trying out HQPlayer's computer based filtering in NOS mode (which is or isn't pure primal super NOS which could be even talked about in the very limited access NOS table, I don't care that much since I'm just interested trying it out (already I have to say that... oh my god, why or how these things are so hard for some people to understand and I feel just so stupid even writing down all these things since there's a lot of them)).

Just study the product is very uplifting for me, if done in some other way than other that I've already eyed - more so ever.

I know that this unit in this condition will make me money and I don't think that the value will drop soon, so it's an investment too, at least it won't lose me any.

It actually sounds clean which is the important and the only thing that really matters to for me, doesn't take any interference what ever is happening outside, housefire, WWIII or anything like that. No buzzing, hissing or anything but black since that's from where the music starts. I'm not professional so I cannot point out any particular reason this being so much better in this one thing that matters to me compared to other stuff around here in my room but I would point PSU first probably and continue from there (which ironically died from my old digital blaster).

I've not owned R2R DAC.

It stacks nicely with my Feliks Audio Echo 2, like perfectly, it is esthetical that way and gives me huge pleasure.

Why people buy Breitling watch even though they could probably live with some cheap beach watch for some time if they know what to do with it? They both show time, Breitling probably longer and sharper on time but if the other watch works as it should, why someone would pay a morgage scale of money for that watch. They're probably interested in watches. They have possibility to do so. Easthetically pleasing? Diving? Flying?

People have their reasons. If someone has different needs, motivators or possibilities that differ from your's it doesn't mean your calculations and metering scores are wrong. If you like the dongle, you can get one. They're cheap and if you need that, you get that. I'm not interested in your motives as much that I would come here and some what question them.

It's so weird how assumingly grown up people have so narrow view on world and this considers everyone. I'm good with just reading all kinds of crazy talk over the internet but now I had to come continue from the last message.

PS. Also I want to make a scientific test with it since we're here. I read from somewhere that it takes ten ******* days to get it to "it's best", I do openly admit that I'm a little sceptic about that time window. So that's why I will make a documentary of it being on ten days, take the values and see if the TOTL caps take that long to load up to somehow act different. Reason: I'm interested in that, weird, isn't it?
 
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Anyone here using the Ares 15th DAC with USB connection to a PC?
 
Yeah, nah, yeah...

I got a unit for a great price since I traded these magical interconnect cables on top of my money stack to it. I don't understand what is so hard to understand in people buying this kind of stuff?

I myself couldn't hear any kind of difference between this and that streamer in the corner of my room (Cambridge Audio SM6 with some Wolfson converters that are also in some kind of cult reputation, do people even know what the chips do and what happens everywhere around the chip? That's not wrong, but you should study also what happens around it to know if it matters who is manufacturing the chip and what are the things it really does but magically throws music in your brains). Still I bought it because that thing in the corner has it's PSU dead. Well, this turns on and off.

I could've gotten a few buck DAC too. Why not? Well, I'm going for a trip soon and the deal, daily eyeing on market prices of everything that has something to do with audio.

Interest in electronics generally.

Need for exacly the I/O capabilities of this thing

Trying out HQPlayer's computer based filtering in NOS mode (which is or isn't pure primal super NOS which could be even talked about in the very limited access NOS table, I don't care that much since I'm just interested trying it out (already I have to say that... oh my god, why or how these things are so hard for some people to understand and I feel just so stupid even writing down all these things since there's a lot of them)).

Just study the product is very uplifting for me, if done in some other way than other that I've already eyed - more so ever.

I know that this unit in this condition will make me money and I don't think that the value will drop soon, so it's an investment too, at least it won't lose me any.

It actually sounds clean which is the important and the only thing that really matters to for me, doesn't take any interference what ever is happening outside, housefire, WWIII or anything like that. No buzzing, hissing or anything but black since that's from where the music starts. I'm not professional so I cannot point out any particular reason this being so much better in this one thing that matters to me compared to other stuff around here in my room but I would point PSU first probably and continue from there (which ironically died from my old digital blaster).

I've not owned R2R DAC.

It stacks nicely with my Feliks Audio Echo 2, like perfectly, it is esthetical that way and gives me huge pleasure.

Why people buy Breitling watch even though they could probably live with some cheap beach watch for some time if they know what to do with it? They both show time, Breitling probably longer and sharper on time but if the other watch works as it should, why someone would pay a morgage scale of money for that watch. They're probably interested in watches. They have possibility to do so. Easthetically pleasing? Diving? Flying?

People have their reasons. If someone has different needs, motivators or possibilities that differ from your's it doesn't mean your calculations and metering scores are wrong. If you like the dongle, you can get one. They're cheap and if you need that, you get that. I'm not interested in your motives as much that I would come here and some what question them.

It's so weird how assumingly grown up people have so narrow view on world and this considers everyone. I'm good with just reading all kinds of crazy talk over the internet but now I had to come continue from the last message.

PS. Also I want to make a scientific test with it since we're here. I read from somewhere that it takes ten ******* days to get it to "it's best", I do openly admit that I'm a little sceptic about that time window. So that's why I will make a documentary of it being on ten days, take the values and see if the TOTL caps take that long to load up to somehow act different. Reason: I'm interested in that, weird, isn't it?
So did you do the 10 day test?
 
So did you do the 10 day test?
Yes. As I tried to explain, I am a human being and listening stuff with same gear 10 days through, I cannot really say nothing about the changes happened or left happened, hehe! Of course my brains adapt/integrate to the system I'm actively listening. It has quite a good theoretical standpoint though if you have some kind of map in your head how the machine is doing it's job.

What I can say though is that I've enjoyed the DAC very much. Also, I think it's the first DAC in my rack that has had some audible effect to the sound when changing filtering options. Reasoning could be that it only has NOS or OS (fast/slow), not six different filters that differ from each other so little that when you are scrolling those you really cannot tell the difference, though I really think that the only major audible change is in NOS <-> OS, not in OS filter 'selection' between slow and fast because the HF roll-off becomes more prominent.

When I'm listening music on my headphones, I truly like to use OS/fast filter but with my Tannoy mx2-M speakers I mostly flip the NOS mode on since using these speakers as my near field speakers the HF roll-off is quite a nice thing to have. The highs on these speakers are just a tad bit too much for my listening conditions / volume when casually listening music or watching something (yes, I also know equalization very well and my room is treated to the point it's sane to do in some small flats like this).

So yeah, I can recommend the converter to anyone if want to try out a R2R / boutique / different type of DAC. Is it worth the money? That depends on the deal you're getting to the spending limit ratio completely. I personally wouldn't pay the price of the new one though since I'm kind of hustling these things forwards too when finding a good deals from local dealers and same time I get to try out some different gear. I still consider all the audio gear I have just a lifestock that will be put down in some point for something I really need.

I'm already good with a MacBook -> 3.5mm split RCA -> Feliks Audio Echo 2 combo too without having the Denafrips Ares II in the middle but then again, it's nice to have my TV connected to it, my PC connected it (gaming rarely) and also my MacBook connected to it which is my main computer / listening (and producing) digital music station.

Oh, and also it has been interesting to do some mixes and masters with Denafrips Ares II & Feliks Audio Echo 2 and then listen it from some solid state amplifier with same transducers, they have changed my mixes and masters a bit and that's one of the meters I personally use to tell what these things are doing in between me and the source (what ever it's being at the moment).

PS. I just had to do a write up since if I told the whole chain my music is coming to my ears at the moment, I would probably be lynched here for doing my casual listening in so twisted and warm way that it's heresy. I'm just interested in these technologies, tansducers, synergies and so on, hehe! Even though I love the casual listening with tube amplifier and this old technology with warmish neutral headphones, I don't hate on any of the chinese well measuring stuff. I have audio interface there on the table when I'm really professionally producing and want no 'chill background music while working' too! Love this combo though.
 
So one of you bums finally sent me a mint Ares II for cheap -- thank you very, very much!

I hooked it up to my Violectric V280 using some new XLR cables, and to make things simple at first, connected my old Sony CD player to the Ares II via digital out. Grabbed the first disc in my pile, which just happened to be "Anne Dudley Plays the Art of Noise".

Put on the old HD800's, pressed play and... OMG. This thing did not disappoint! I was ECSTATIC! On the first track, a triangle percussive instrument is used, and each time it was struck my brain lit up like a Christmas tree! The reverberation trails throughout the first song were fantastic!!

Suffice to say, this is exactly how you want your first listen to be.
Recently i purchased Enyo 15th (an update of Ares II same manufacturer same kind circuit) well... i almost never listened music lately with my chip-dacs sigma delta with the highest scores in SINAD and THD+N... well connected my streamer with Qobuz some of my playlist ... WOW !!! You know what i mean (others will think we are exagerating) this is the BIGGEST improvement in my setup since my malasyan passive transformer based line preamp and the danish stable impedance speakers... its amazing ...its like a phono vinyl preamp with digital imputs but cleaner and almost same soul natural organic... ADICTIVE!!!! WOW.... congrats to Denafrips engineers... this chinese engineers REALLY know how to get a analog sound without listening fatigue.... this is dope man!
Beside music, i love politics (other like soccer football) i usually eat lunch or dinner watching typical politics news or tv show about politics news... well NOW I EAT LISTENING MUSIC even far from my setup i enjoy each track!!! wow man this dacs r-2r are another thing actually!
 
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