You don't have a case to rest.I rest my case and leave y'all to it.
You don't have a case to rest.I rest my case and leave y'all to it.
Bear in mind the people mostly populating this forum have two things in common. First, they're listening to music at a computer through near field speakers or headphones. Second, they care more about measurements than music itself. At some point, someone here will start judging music through scientific measurement. As in, judging art with numbers. I shouldn't need to spell out the absurdity of that.
Science has its place, but until the people here can measure what their ears hear and measure the music for perfection, they on't be happy. So, they won't be happy. Enjoy your gear, and more importantly, enjoy your music. Let the science nerds that can't lift their heads and take in some art do their thing. It has a use. Hence, I stop by when I'm looking at new equipment. Measurements are just one piece of the puzzle though, and not always as relevant as measurers like to think.
Anyone here laughing at the idea of soundstage etc is someone that's only driven a Camry in a city.
The absurdity here is your complete misconception of what ASR is, or ASR members are.Bear in mind the people mostly populating this forum have two things in common. First, they're listening to music at a computer through near field speakers or headphones. Second, they care more about measurements than music itself. At some point, someone here will start judging music through scientific measurement. As in, judging art with numbers. I shouldn't need to spell out the absurdity of that.
Second, they care more about measurements than music itself.
No computers, no near-field speakers, no headphones, and, most importantly, no time wasted listening to the equipment trying to perceive fantasy differences. Oh and no Toyota Camry (although it's a good car).Bear in mind the people mostly populating this forum have two things in common. First, they're listening to music at a computer through near field speakers or headphones. Second, they care more about measurements than music itself. At some point, someone here will start judging music through scientific measurement. As in, judging art with numbers. I shouldn't need to spell out the absurdity of that.
Those who worship in the altar of measurements may miss the point of the joy and pleasure of music.
No and NO!!!Those who worship in the altar of measurements may miss the point of the joy and pleasure of music.
Fortune cookie!Those who worship in the altar of measurements may miss the point of the joy and pleasure of music.
As others have said, this is so much crapahoola from someone with hurt feelings. Well, no headphones, no nearfield in this house. Just two wonderful systems and loads of music. Oh, and by the way, a 25th Anniversary MX-5 in the garage as well.Bear in mind the people mostly populating this forum have two things in common. First, they're listening to music at a computer through near field speakers or headphones. Second, they care more about measurements than music itself. At some point, someone here will start judging music through scientific measurement. As in, judging art with numbers. I shouldn't need to spell out the absurdity of that.
You'll also find they don't have the same room as you, let alone same equipment, speaker placement, even power supplies or wiring (which will likely set someone off here.) Or, most importantly, your ears or your brain perceiving what comes through your ears. They're random people on the internet and have no more claim to authority on the subject than you.
I see it very sort of like this (bear in mind all analogies fall apart, and someone will pull at it, but there's a reason we use analogies): I come from the car world, and review cars for a living. You get the nerds that judge everything by the stats - horsepower, torque, lateral G, etc etc. By the definition of the stats nerds, a current Toyota Camry is a better car than a Mazda MX-5. It's more powerful, it has more grip, yada yada yada. Yet, I will tell you that if you love driving you will enjoy the MX-5 more. It feels better to drive, it's more responsive and better balanced - things you and I can't physically measure with instruments. Yet, if anyone that has experience driving fast took both cars to the track, they would go around the track faster because they can feel what the car is doing, it feedback to the driver, and it has a better chassis.
Anyone here laughing at the idea of soundstage etc is someone that's only driven a Camry in a city. They couldn't handle a Ferrari - they would drive it around town and declare it crap because the suspension is too hard and that it scrapes over speed bumps and slopes out of parking lots. You simply can't understand a car like that, though, unless you have a place to let it free and truly enjoy it.
Science has its place, but until the people here can measure what their ears hear and measure the music for perfection, they on't be happy. So, they won't be happy. Enjoy your gear, and more importantly, enjoy your music. Let the science nerds that can't lift their heads and take in some art do their thing. It has a use. Hence, I stop by when I'm looking at new equipment. Measurements are just one piece of the puzzle though, and not always as relevant as measurers like to think.
It's not a fortune cookie if it's grammatical.Fortune cookie!
An ungrammatical one, but still.
Nobody 'Worships at the altar of measurements.' That's just something you made up.Those who worship in the altar of measurements may miss the point of the joy and pleasure of music.
I think there are a lot of folks out there who prefer to fiddle with their systems all the time and endlessly compare gear with little or nothing to gain; listening to music is secondary. Of course, most of them would probably never admit that.we can just enjoy the music instead of endlessly comparing DACs, playing the same music over and over, trying to perceive which one has the widest soundstage when the differences are actually all in our heads. How utterly pointless.
Possibly true for sex. Music - not so much.Those who worship in the altar of measurements may miss the point of the joy and pleasure of music.
For electronics, no. For loudspeakers, to an extent, yes that is subjective.Humbug—I doubt that I will ruin my hobby of listening music as I’m 88 years old but my point is that many contributors to this forum are absolutely certain that measurements are the be and all to sound. It’s simply not true. “Knowing something measures well we relax, we have the best possible” isn’t it still subjective to your own personal tastes?