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The choices were partially made for credibility. I was for example was going to make my own filter for testing class D amp. But someone gave me good advice that I should get the much more expensive one made by Audio Precision for that reason.

I am not sure why you ask anyway as I didn't say high-end audiophiles only bought the gear to show off.
I asked to point out WHY audiophiles buy these expensive items that make no audible differences.

Yeah, I see your point that they wallow in the status after the fact. But the prime motive in most cases was a genuine belief that the products make a big difference

Your answer of credibility was not what I expected. Food for thought
 
The choices were partially made for credibility. I was for example was going to make my own filter for testing class D amp. But someone gave me good advice that I should get the much more expensive one made by Audio Precision for that reason.

I am not sure why you ask anyway as I didn't say high-end audiophiles only bought the gear to show off.
I think this makes sense but I think it would also be fair to point out the credibility comes from the brand's (deserved) reputation and not the cost per se.

Whereas cost itself seems to drive a certain amount of reputation in the audiophile world...
 
I think this makes sense but I think it would also be fair to point out the credibility comes from the brand's (deserved) reputation and not the cost per se.

Whereas cost itself seems to drive a certain amount of reputation in the audiophile world...
Audiophiles don't know these measurement brands (until they are exposed to it) so price is what I use to "speak their language." To the extent they think cost = performance, then they have no choice but to believe the same for instrumentation! :)
 
I think this makes sense but I think it would also be fair to point out the credibility comes from the brand's (deserved) reputation and not the cost per se.

Whereas cost itself seems to drive a certain amount of reputation in the audiophile world...
It depends on what “Community” one seeks credibility. Amir is focused on the Scientific Community and not the Audiophile community. One is factual and can be verified while the other is not and can not.
 
The best advise we can take from all this is to never get so emotional about a product you developed or purchased that you have to defend it even after the facts say different
I am guilty of this majorly. I was a subjective believer for decades before I studied electronics theory and got a education. I was emotional about my gear and if I saw gear with aesthetics that I desired I would buy that and not even care about sound. Some of my gear hissed like an anaconda... Sigh*
 
If you registered specifically on ASR to defend such an opinion, you will have to support it in a relevant way...
Which opinion? I made two comments. The first, that the quality control of some of these cheaper dacs is very poor. There is plenty of evidence on this and other sites that that is the case.
The second has to do with the sound. If you believe that you can hear no difference and are satisfied with the sound of some of these very cheap dacs, then I am pleased for you. I listened to a large number of dacs before I made my choice and that is why I bought one that sounded far superior to me.
However why the aggression? I am sure you are familiar with the phrase "De gustibus non est disputandum."
 
Which opinion? I made two comments. The first, that the quality control of some of these cheaper dacs is very poor. There is plenty of evidence on this and other sites that that is the case.
The second has to do with the sound. If you believe that you can hear no difference and are satisfied with the sound of some of these very cheap dacs, then I am pleased for you. I listened to a large number of dacs before I made my choice and that is why I bought one that sounded far superior to me.
However why the aggression? I am sure you are familiar with the phrase "De gustibus non est disputandum."
I don't agree with everything you said but you said it so well I gave you a like... LoL. :D
 
The first, that the quality control of some of these cheaper dacs is very poor.
There is zero evidence of this. Not remotely so. There has been some headphone amplifiers and power amps with issues but not DACs. Stuff breaks in electronics. I have had my US made DACs and expensive amplifiers break.
 
There is zero evidence of this. Not remotely so. There has been some headphone amplifiers and power amps with issues but not DACs. Stuff breaks in electronics. I have had my US made DACs and expensive amplifiers break.
That is not quite correct. While you are correct in saying that there are more issues with power amps etc, there have also been issues with dacs. There are complaints even on this site - I suggest you look further. There ar quite a lot of complaints on other sites. Again, whether you think these are legitimate or not is another question; in my case I was not prepared to take the risk. Incidentally, I certainly do not believe that the more expensive a product is the better it is. There have been a number of expensive lemons, but you often do get what you pay for.
 
Watching audio companies destroy themselves and their reputations is my probably my new favorite hobby.
Basically they are observing the power of the populace to form markets and determine policy and company mission statements.
 
I certainly do not believe that the more expensive a product is the better it is. There have been a number of expensive lemons, but you often do get what you pay for.
I have 9 years experience selling quality home audio gear and then another 15 years servicing it at the component level specializing in mechatronics as a warranty service specialist. I have seen a lot of nice home audio and high end car audio gear. I have seen many examples of gear with a few sprinkles of sheet metal technology like honeycomb chassis forming or vapor pipe cooling and even fancy beautiful front panels and chassis but not better electronics than something in a lower price bracket. One can't blanket cover the concept that more moola equals more quality because most times you need to give away something to get something. :D I suggest be suspect of everything unless known or proven otherwise.
 
There have been a number of expensive lemons, but you often do get what you pay for.
I'm curious is there any DACs or AMPs that go up in value in price? Not to bring up watches again, but my end game watch was the Midnight Planetarium by Van Cleef & Arpels (LINK for those that are interested) and it was around $40,000 to $50,000 when I saw it 10 years ago. Now I presently see the price is over $250,000.
 
I'm curious is there any DACs or AMPs that go up in value in price? Not to bring up watches again, but my end game watch was the Midnight Planetarium by Van Cleef & Arpels (LINK for those that are interested) and it was around $40,000 to $50,000 when I saw it 10 years ago. Now I presently see the price is over $250,000.
I doubt it. Certainly some vintage turntables sell for more these days than they did when they were first released, but that is another story.
 
I'm curious is there any DACs or AMPs that go up in value in price? Not to bring up watches again, but my end game watch was the Midnight Planetarium by Van Cleef & Arpels (LINK for those that are interested) and it was around $40,000 to $50,000 when I saw it 10 years ago. Now I presently see the price is over $250,000.
Only the original Marantz Model 9 as far as I know along with original Western Electric amps.
 
Which opinion? I made two comments. The first, that the quality control of some of these cheaper dacs is very poor. There is plenty of evidence on this and other sites that that is the case.
The second has to do with the sound. If you believe that you can hear no difference and are satisfied with the sound of some of these very cheap dacs, then I am pleased for you. I listened to a large number of dacs before I made my choice and that is why I bought one that sounded far superior to me.
However why the aggression? I am sure you are familiar with the phrase "De gustibus non est disputandum."

The same could be said about a large number of High End Audio brands.. From the top of my head I could cite Audio Research and Jadis.. Of course this is based on anecdotes, like your evidences

You may believe that you can hear the differences.. You will in most cases, not, ... once a few bias-inducing inputs, are removed.. One of these is the SPL level, thus such comparisons require level matching , the other one is the knowledge of what you are listening to. With these two controls (there are others, but these 2 will be enough IMO), in place, your up-to-then, unusually discerning, hearing will fail you. As it has for so many... This will be humbling at first then liberating. Like knowing that an Apple dongle is likely to sound to you, and 99.9999% of the World population, the same, when level -matched and the knowledge of the DUT removed... to a $!5,000.oo DAC, perhaps the vaunted $100,000 dCS stack ... At times the enthusiasm seems to come as aggression but .. it is so: DACS are a solved problem.. Speakers and especially speakers in most, any rooms, are not. Focus on those, .. You will be glad you did :).
Believe it.. :)

Peace.
 
I'm curious is there any DACs or AMPs that go up in value in price?

Absolutely.

TOTL amplifiers and receivers from the glory days of the mid to late 1970s are now enormously valuable and sell for many times their original cost.

Certain rare CD transport and DAC combinations are highly sought after and hugely expensive.

Certain open reel decks are also very valuable.
 
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I'm curious is there any DACs or AMPs that go up in value in price? Not to bring up watches again, but my end game watch was the Midnight Planetarium by Van Cleef & Arpels (LINK for those that are interested) and it was around $40,000 to $50,000 when I saw it 10 years ago. Now I presently see the price is over $250,000.
If someone in later life wants to buy a DAC or AMP they could not afford when they were younger ,then they will pay whatever it costs to satisfy said itch.
 
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