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dCS threatens with a 7-figure lawsuit over a review
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I see Cameron will be (or was planned to) doing a talk at the London Canjam at the Weekend in what seems to be a room next to the dCS room. Will be interesting too see if there is a boycott of dCS at the event.
restorer-john
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Another reviewer sued by another DCS:
If I was a lawyer asked to possible sue an audio reviewer like Goldensound, I think the first question I would have asked- "Is his the same review guy that tested Tidal MQA to validate the claim of lossless? He seems to do his homework pretty well. Are you sure you want to take him on?"
Indeed, that might have been a short discussion. LOL
Indeed, that might have been a short discussion. LOL
But an ambulance chasing lawyer will still take on the case even if it knows it will lose because they will still be paid
It should have stopped at, ...so i have to sue someone over stating his Subjective Opinion, right? ...really?
Message to folks that say these are just empty threats and should be ignored!
AudioSceptic
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You meant Hermes instead of Vogue?
here's to make sure the response won't be lost somehow: https://web.archive.org/web/2024071...-response-to-recent-claims-regarding-dcs/6722Response from dCS:
A response to recent claims regarding dCS
dCS has been made aware of two videos regarding recent communications between dCS and GoldenSound, which relate to a review of the dCS Bartók Headphone DAC. Having watched both videos we feel it is important to clarify a number of details and provide a response to some of the questions raised...dcs.community
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Two things were most fascinating to me about this situation so far.
1) GoldenSound mentioned that someone with an axe to grind with him took a recording of him speaking on a WhatsApp chat and edited it to make it seem like he made a factually incorrect statement about the dCS Lina and posted it publicly. Which was then used by dCS themselves to try to discredit GoldenSound.
That's wild. Who would think to do something so weird like that? Such a strange and specific way to try to hurt someone.
2) dCS claims a meeting took place on a specific date between their representative, GoldenSound, and Headphones.com and the owner of Headphones.com basically says
"What is this guy talking about? Never happened."
LOL that's nuts.
I'm inclined to believe headphones.com because the dCS guy also claimed to have not threatened legal action against GoldenSound and that was clearly a lie. Headphones.com owner brought the receipts and that could not possibly be misunderstood considering he wrote how much they would be suing for ("Seven figure lawsuit").
Are those dCS guys even talking to each other to verify what they claim? Why make such bald-faced lies that are easily disproven?
I generally don't have problems with luxury brands that charge exorbitant amount for "high end" products. How people spend their money is none of my business.
But how could anyone still want to buy a dCS product if they saw this?
Will be interesting to see if they show up to Can Jam.
I went to T.H.E. Show in southern California last month where Tekton Design was scheduled to have a room, and at least on the day I was there, Tekton was a no-show.
1) GoldenSound mentioned that someone with an axe to grind with him took a recording of him speaking on a WhatsApp chat and edited it to make it seem like he made a factually incorrect statement about the dCS Lina and posted it publicly. Which was then used by dCS themselves to try to discredit GoldenSound.
That's wild. Who would think to do something so weird like that? Such a strange and specific way to try to hurt someone.
2) dCS claims a meeting took place on a specific date between their representative, GoldenSound, and Headphones.com and the owner of Headphones.com basically says
"What is this guy talking about? Never happened."
LOL that's nuts.
I'm inclined to believe headphones.com because the dCS guy also claimed to have not threatened legal action against GoldenSound and that was clearly a lie. Headphones.com owner brought the receipts and that could not possibly be misunderstood considering he wrote how much they would be suing for ("Seven figure lawsuit").
Are those dCS guys even talking to each other to verify what they claim? Why make such bald-faced lies that are easily disproven?
I generally don't have problems with luxury brands that charge exorbitant amount for "high end" products. How people spend their money is none of my business.
But how could anyone still want to buy a dCS product if they saw this?
Will be interesting to see if they show up to Can Jam.
I went to T.H.E. Show in southern California last month where Tekton Design was scheduled to have a room, and at least on the day I was there, Tekton was a no-show.
More about censorship by manufacturers
Robbo99999
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Strange, after reading that it seems that the onus was on Golden Sound to come back to dCS, whereas in Golden Sound's video the emphasis was always on the ball being in dCS's court inasmuch they never came back to him with constructive replies. That's my overall & simplified take after watching both Golden Sound's video and reading that dCS announcement. Anyway, at least it's confirmation that Golden Sound is not gonna be sued. Ultimately it's coming down to ineffective communication or communication breakdown between reviewers and manufacturers.Response from dCS:
A response to recent claims regarding dCS
dCS has been made aware of two videos regarding recent communications between dCS and GoldenSound, which relate to a review of the dCS Bartók Headphone DAC. Having watched both videos we feel it is important to clarify a number of details and provide a response to some of the questions raised...
Torben
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Thank you Amir for the assistance
Robbo99999
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Could be
AudioSceptic
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We hope that these companies have already run numerous tests, ideally the same as yours but at least to some "industry standard", as part of the development and QC process, so it should be trivial for them to supply their measurements for comparison.
Robbo99999
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It's getting a bit boring now isn't it. If they're certain that no legal action is gonna take place, then they should quit airing their dirty laundry in public (both parties) and just sort it out in private conversation. As long as the threat of legal action has been removed, that's all that matters really, as that was the only reason for this all being "public" in the first place.And the reply to the reply.
dCS Response and Story
For those who did not see, this was posted on The HEADPHONE Show yesterday. This video was made in relation to an ongoing situation regarding @GoldenSound by dCS in regards to a video review he did of the dCS Bartok in 2021 before he had joined The HEADPHONE Show and Headphones.com which...forum.headphones.com
DSJR
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I think that if a negative comment was made, some decent attempt to justify said comment with some evidence rather than 'mere opinion' must be made by the reviewer (a failing I had most definitely in the past).
If Cameron suggested that the dac under discussion had a 'soft' quality (or whatever it was), then my suggestion would be for him to investigate null-testing to see what exactly is going on - if said dac really is losing impact or whatever. It's worth him following that line of reasoning up I feel, as subjective comments are really only 'in that particular moment' and particular to the individual making them and his mood etc at the time. Apologies for not explaining it further, but you get the idea and it'd help justify his case should this kind of thing ever happen again. It may be an epiphany of sorts for him as well, if his ego isn't allowed to stomp all over it
AudioSceptic
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Is there any doubt that a dCS product would measure extremely well? Whether it's worth the huge price is another matter, of course, but there are many other products where that also applies.You mean the dealer choosing on their own to send me product for review? This is just not in the cards as they could get in trouble with the manufacturer if the results are negative.
If you mean to help out dCS, that would be a logistics issue of where to get a sample for testing. If they don't have one to share, sure, they could ask their dealer to send me their demo. But this is the "minor bit" as we call in computer science. The big issue would be them wanting to have their product reviewed.
FYI, about two years ago, after Cameron's review came out, a dCS owner wanted me to test his DAC. Alas, he was on the other coast of US and was very concerned to ship his product to me. But he really wanted to test it, offering to pay my expenses to come to his place to test his DAC! I explained to him that my analyzer was more expensive than his DAC, so for the same reason, I couldn't ship or lug it across US on plane with me.
Robbo99999
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