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DAP without WiFi or Bluetooth

crescent_moon

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Hello! Very inexperienced, technologically ungifted semi-audiophile here. A few months ago, I bought my first DAP when my Dragonfly Cobalt DAC started having issues; after a short life consisting of confusing onlookers and gorging down all of my remaining battery (I know I probably should've chosen something else). The DAP I was able to find is a secondhand Ibasso DX200 from 2017, which turned out to have a similar audio quality paired with my 99 Classics as when I used those headphones with the Dragonfly DAC connected to my laptop, but I've been bothered by how bulky and excessive the Ibasso DX200 is. I would preferably use a smaller DAP that just has my downloaded files on it, without any additional apps or options (why does my music player have a location feature?!). I'd also appreciate it if it had a longer battery life and a lot of storage/the option for an SD card/something similar. When I look at the DAP's that don't have WiFi or Bluetooth, they mostly seem to use cheap materials or outdated tech. Which is why, despite some of them supposedly performing very well compared to their price point, I'm not sure if they perform at the same level as my current DAP. Is there anyone with more experience that could tell me which simple DAP's would have a similar or better audio quality?
 
Hello! Very inexperienced, technologically ungifted semi-audiophile here. A few months ago, I bought my first DAP when my Dragonfly Cobalt DAC started having issues; after a short life consisting of confusing onlookers and gorging down all of my remaining battery (I know I probably should've chosen something else). The DAP I was able to find is a secondhand Ibasso DX200 from 2017, which turned out to have a similar audio quality paired with my 99 Classics as when I used those headphones with the Dragonfly DAC connected to my laptop, but I've been bothered by how bulky and excessive the Ibasso DX200 is. I would preferably use a smaller DAP that just has my downloaded files on it, without any additional apps or options (why does my music player have a location feature?!). I'd also appreciate it if it had a longer battery life and a lot of storage/the option for an SD card/something similar. When I look at the DAP's that don't have WiFi or Bluetooth, they mostly seem to use cheap materials or outdated tech. Which is why, despite some of them supposedly performing very well compared to their price point, I'm not sure if they perform at the same level as my current DAP. Is there anyone with more experience that could tell me which simple DAP's would have a similar or better audio quality?
You should steer clear of cheap, no-name DAPs.
There are a few well-functioning DAPs for €100-200, for example, the Hidizs AP80 Pro Max that Amir tested a week ago.
There have also been several threads about inexpensive DAPs recently. Perhaps you should also consider used devices; there are many well-functioning units from Pioneer, Onkyo, Fiio, Sony, Hiby, Shanling, Hidizs, etc. I bought my Pioneer XDP-30R (identical to the Onkyo DP-S1) used myself; it's now seven years old and still works perfectly. Sound-wise, it can still compete with top-of-the-line DAPs. Quality pays off.

However, current DAPs are unlikely to be available without Bluetooth (for headphones and music playback) and Wi-Fi (for streaming). But what's the problem? Just leave it switched off; then it won't consume any power.
 
You should steer clear of cheap, no-name DAPs.
There are a few well-functioning DAPs for €100-200, for example, the Hidizs AP80 Pro Max that Amir tested a week ago.
There have also been several threads about inexpensive DAPs recently. Perhaps you should also consider used devices; there are many well-functioning units from Pioneer, Onkyo, Fiio, Sony, Hiby, Shanling, Hidizs, etc. I bought my Pioneer XDP-30R (identical to the Onkyo DP-S1) used myself; it's now seven years old and still works perfectly. Sound-wise, it can still compete with top-of-the-line DAPs. Quality pays off.

However, current DAPs are unlikely to be available without Bluetooth (for headphones and music playback) and Wi-Fi (for streaming). But what's the problem? Just leave it switched off; then it won't consume any power.
I have Bluetooth and WiFi turned off on my current DAP, but devices that inherently don't have those features have a different feel to them that I prefer. Both the Hidizs AP80 Pro Max and Pioneer XDP-30R seem to have Bluetooth and WiFi, but I have been looking at used DAP's from Fiio, Sony, Hiby and Shanling. Would you say that those devices still have a good sound quality regardless of age? Some of those companies don't really offer anything without WiFi or Bluetooth, but Sony has a lot of older WiFi-less DAP's that I've been hesitant to buy so far. At about what age would you say there's a noticeable drop in quality?
 
I have Bluetooth and WiFi turned off on my current DAP, but devices that inherently don't have those features have a different feel to them that I prefer. Both the Hidizs AP80 Pro Max and Pioneer XDP-30R seem to have Bluetooth and WiFi, but I
I can assure you that this is based on bias and imagination.
We conducted blind tests for years, which also included testing for such influences, and no one could hear a difference in a truly blinded test, regardless of whether Wi-Fi or Bluetooth was enabled, disabled, or even not integrated at all. These are pure old wives' tales. This applies to DAPs, smartphones, and home players.

You're just wasting your time with this kind of nonsense.
 
I can assure you that this is based on bias and imagination.
We conducted blind tests for years, which also included testing for such influences, and no one could hear a difference in a truly blinded test, regardless of whether Wi-Fi or Bluetooth was enabled, disabled, or even not integrated at all. These are pure old wives' tales. This applies to DAPs, smartphones, and home players.

You're just wasting your time with this kind of nonsense.
It's not about the difference in sound quality between devices with or without WiFi/Bluetooth, which I'm sure has nothing to do with those features. It's my personal preference to have a device that doesn't include it. Do I need to give detailed explanations as to why I like certain things? Do you need to know why I like cats or the color green as well before I'm allowed to ask a simple question? There's no reason for me to buy a second DAP that has the same features as my current one. I guess we'll never know whether those Sony's are worth it :,(
 
It's not about the difference in sound quality between devices with or without WiFi/Bluetooth, which I'm sure has nothing to do with those features. It's my personal preference to have a device that doesn't include it. Do I need to give detailed explanations as to why I like certain things? Do you need to know why I like cats or the color green as well before I'm allowed to ask a simple question? There's no reason for me to buy a second DAP that has the same features as my current one. I guess we'll never know whether those Sony's are worth it :,(
I'm sorry, I misunderstood you.
 
There’s some suggestions in this thread:

 
There’s some suggestions in this thread:

Yes! I saw. I've been looking into the HiBy RS2, which seems to be the best option so far, despite me feeling meh about the design. The xDuoo X2S seems decent as well, but I'm wondering again how 'good audio quality for $59' would sound. Have you ever tried DAP's from that price category that genuinely sound good, not just compared to their price point?
 
Yes! I saw. I've been looking into the HiBy RS2, which seems to be the best option so far, despite me feeling meh about the design. The xDuoo X2S seems decent as well, but I'm wondering again how 'good audio quality for $59' would sound. Have you ever tried DAP's from that price category that genuinely sound good, not just compared to their price point?
The last DAP I tried was a Surfans F20 and it sounds ok.

My current mobile setup is a Samsung Galaxy A16 + Neutron DAC V1 - USB connection. It’s not as convenient as a DAP but the Neutron’s DSP is comprehensive. Paired with my Etymotic ER2XRs and a suitable EQ it’s the ‘best’ audio I’ve heard from a mobile setup. That’s a totally subjective assessment, of course.
 
Yes! I saw. I've been looking into the HiBy RS2, which seems to be the best option so far, despite me feeling meh about the design. The xDuoo X2S seems decent as well, but I'm wondering again how 'good audio quality for $59' would sound. Have you ever tried DAP's from that price category that genuinely sound good, not just compared to their price point?
The Hiby RS2 might be your go to if the idea of dual sd card slots appeals, as those dual slot DAPs are very rare.

I've just bought the Tempotech Variations V1 secondhand as new on Ebay for around £50. It's absolutely fantastic for it's price! It would appear to tick all your boxes, aside from having BT hidden away, but you could easily not even know it's there.

I completely get why you want a stripped down DAP that just plays your local files, feels nice and has a decent battery life. I honestly feel this Tempotech does exactly that.

It fits nicely in the palm of your hand, feels solid, has balanced 4.4mm as well as standard 3.5mm, and has physical buttons, too.
 
Hello! Very inexperienced, technologically ungifted semi-audiophile here. A few months ago, I bought my first DAP when my Dragonfly Cobalt DAC started having issues; after a short life consisting of confusing onlookers and gorging down all of my remaining battery (I know I probably should've chosen something else). The DAP I was able to find is a secondhand Ibasso DX200 from 2017, which turned out to have a similar audio quality paired with my 99 Classics as when I used those headphones with the Dragonfly DAC connected to my laptop, but I've been bothered by how bulky and excessive the Ibasso DX200 is. I would preferably use a smaller DAP that just has my downloaded files on it, without any additional apps or options (why does my music player have a location feature?!). I'd also appreciate it if it had a longer battery life and a lot of storage/the option for an SD card/something similar. When I look at the DAP's that don't have WiFi or Bluetooth, they mostly seem to use cheap materials or outdated tech. Which is why, despite some of them supposedly performing very well compared to their price point, I'm not sure if they perform at the same level as my current DAP. Is there anyone with more experience that could tell me which simple DAP's would have a similar or better audio quality?
Hi, I'm new to this forum, but not to DAPs. I have 3, including two very compact ones from HiBy with which I've been happy. I've had older DAPs from Sansa, Microsoft, and Sony, at least, but mine did not have features I required as my digital collection grew, including and especially expandable storage. The main concern I'd have with used devices is not knowing how they've used, especially the batteries, including how many charging cycles they've had, how they were charged -such as were they subjected continuously to heat-producing long and/or fast charging, other heat exposure, and any battery-draining/trashing use or abuse. Few features are more important than battery performance and battery life. The other main downside to old devices (in any audio category) is being able to get parts and/or repairs for them (which old devices or old anythings are more likely to require).

My HiBy R3 Pro Saber is a quite simple device that has performed wonderfully for >3 years, and my HIBYDIGITAL M300 is also going great after 1.5 years. Both of them take microSD cards like most all DAPs, and each fits in the coin/watch/fifth pocket of my jeans, which makes them great for outdoors and travel, as well as for under the pillow, etc.. The M300 is android-based, but I have very few apps on it. Wi-Fi and Bluetooth are usually off on both of them, always to preserve battery life, though both excel on this. A great R3 may be available used, but I'd shop very carefully; the M300 should be available new (I have and recommend the cheaper/original 3GB RAM and 32GB internal storage model}.

Finally, if I was starting out and my needs were minimal, I'd look and trial if possible, the newer small HiBy R1. Here is a short but good review of it:

Enjoy your patient shopping and your music. I'd be happy to answer any follow-up question on any of the above, etc..
 
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