dap with top resolution and well extended treble,not bassy

[leonasj500]

It feels like you are making this a bit too hard for yourself...or that your perceptions are so fine tuned that no one can help you make the decision that is right for you. I think the general advice here is to listen to the player before purchasing if possible, buy to your budget and for the feature set you want. There's no likely audible difference for most folks' hearing (because only very small differences in measurements) between a $300 dap and a $3000 dap.

so,why makers making new daps,reviewers reviewing them and all buying upgrading? now reading ibasso dx340 is top level sounding ones.

 

[voodooless]

so,why makers making new daps,reviewers reviewing them and all buying upgrading?

Easy: to earn money...! Those things sell because of all the ignorant consumers who trust those reviewers. Perception bias does the rest.

 

[leonasj500]

Easy: to earn money...! Those things sell because of all the ignorant consumers who trust those reviewers. Perception bias does the rest.

i have astell kern sr25ii my first dap,but too small screen ,so upgradec to shanling M7 2years ago, still have both daps. and after reviews headfi,reviewres on web ordered from europe sony new,open box sony wm a1 m2 for 800eur then home tested AB all 3 daps at same sound hearing level ,same song,same cable and iem. and all sounds identical. from bass,mids to treble. yes,SR25ii have hiss if add more volume that too loud for my ears,as its not powerfull as shanling. shanling even at max volume loud sound not changes,zero hiss. but at normal sound they Identical sound across all 20-20khz frequency. sony even new for 800eur not worth its price for sound as shanling more powerfull better like,better ui. Sony im sent back to sony dealer. but want some new model android13,8ram,256rom,light,small, etc. looking at ibasso dx260mkii or sp3000m.

 

[Joe Smith]

Reading between the lines here, I think you'd better spend as much as you possibly can or you will think always you're missing out on something.
That's not how most of us here view the audio world.
Happy buying!

 

[JeremyFife]

i have astell kern sr25ii my first dap,but too small screen ,so upgradec to shanling M7 2years ago, still have both daps. and after reviews headfi,reviewres on web ordered from europe sony new,open box sony wm a1 m2 for 800eur then home tested AB all 3 daps at same sound hearing level ,same song,same cable and iem. and all sounds identical. from bass,mids to treble. yes,SR25ii have hiss if add more volume that too loud for my ears,as its not powerfull as shanling. shanling even at max volume loud sound not changes,zero hiss. but at normal sound they Identical sound across all 20-20khz frequency. sony even new for 800eur not worth its price for sound as shanling more powerfull better like,better ui. Sony im sent back to sony dealer. but want some new model android13,8ram,256rom,light,small, etc. looking at ibasso dx260mkii or sp3000m.

Look back at all the replies to your questions. Everyone is saying that DAPs sound the same. You can accept the evidence or you can keep listening to subjective reviews.

In the end though, you have to be happy with what you buy - that's human and that's ok.

 

[leonasj500]

Look back at all the replies to your questions. Everyone is saying that DAPs sound the same. You can accept the evidence or you can keep listening to subjective reviews.

In the end though, you have to be happy with what you buy - that's human and that's ok.

yes,understand. for travel more pocket size i ll go for smaller lighter dap. ak sr25ii a bitt too small screen for my eyes. but sound not changes. so,ibasso dx260mk2 well good option,small light 225gr,120mm height,5' screen,android13,6ram,128rom,open android.way better vs astell kern sp3000m?

 

[leonasj500]

It feels like you are making this a bit too hard for yourself...or that your perceptions are so fine tuned that no one can help you make the decision that is right for you. I think the general advice here is to listen to the player before purchasing if possible, buy to your budget and for the feature set you want. There's no likely audible difference for most folks' hearing (because only very small differences in measurements) between a $300 dap and a $3000 dap.

does better idea get ak kann ultra vs sp2000? same size weihgt ,but ultra has top chip vs older ones. more detailed sounds kann ultra?

 

[sergeauckland]

does better idea get ak kann ultra vs sp2000? same size weihgt ,but ultra has top chip vs older ones. more detailed sounds kann ultra?

You still seem to be fixated on the idea that DAPs can sound different. Just buy what has the facilities you want. The sound won't change.

S.

 

[leonasj500]

You still seem to be fixated on the idea that DAPs can sound different. Just buy what has the facilities you want. The sound won't change.

S.

just want fast wifi stream,lightweight,fast ui,good easy song library use,i liked sony library more vs shanling,also batery saving function is good idea too on sony was.that function has dx340 and dx260mk ii now. also 2 batteries option on dx340 well good idea andf amp gain too. looks dx340 good option too. does more powered daps has better bass? more punchy?

 

[sergeauckland]

just want fast wifi stream,lightweight,fast ui,good easy song library use,i liked sony library more vs shanling,also batery saving function is good idea too on sony was.that function has dx340 and dx260mk ii now. also 2 batteries option on dx340 well good idea andf amp gain too. looks dx340 good option too. does more powered daps has better bass? more punchy?

How does 'punchy' bass differ from any other sort of bass? Just seems like you want the bass louder, so use tone controls.

S.

 

[leonasj500]

How does 'punchy' bass differ from any other sort of bass? Just seems like you want the bass louder, so use tone controls.

S.

look,but astell kern SE180 has four dac modules sem1, sem 2, sem3 ,sem4 and every has different chips so,they even maker shows different sound from those modules. brighter,warmer,more detailed or more body rich sound. sem3 module has4x 9028 chips,and sioounds detailed bright,where sem4 has ak4493es and sound more warmer. Also ak SE200 has diffeent chips installed ess and akm and on menu can change sound listen akm or ess sound house.

 

[sergeauckland]

look,but astell kern SE180 has four dac modules sem1, sem 2, sem3 ,sem4 and every has different chips so,they even maker shows different sound from those modules. brighter,warmer,more detailed or more body rich sound. sem3 module has4x 9028 chips,and sioounds detailed bright,where sem4 has ak4493es and sound more warmer. Also ak SE200 has diffeent chips installed ess and akm and on menu can change sound listen akm or ess sound house.

Have you any evidence of this, or is it just what you think you may have heard, or perhaps read? Different chips DON'T sound different if their measurements are below audibility, which they almost always are. Unless you have some numbers to show that differences exist, I still maintain that there are no differences between DAPS.

At this point I shall duck out of this thread, as it seems to me to be going nowhere useful.

S.

 

[leonasj500]

Have you any evidence of this, or is it just what you think you may have heard, or perhaps read? Different chips DON'T sound different if their measurements are below audibility, which they almost always are. Unless you have some numbers to show that differences exist, I still maintain that there are no differences between DAPS.

At this point I shall duck out of this thread, as it seems to me to be going nowhere useful.

S.

so,you think astell kern officialy lie that SE180 with different dac modules sounds different? https://www.astellnkern.com/product/product_detail.jsp?productNo=2

 

[Roland68]

look,but astell kern SE180 has four dac modules sem1, sem 2, sem3 ,sem4 and every has different chips so,they even maker shows different sound from those modules. brighter,warmer,more detailed or more body rich sound. sem3 module has4x 9028 chips,and sioounds detailed bright,where sem4 has ak4493es and sound more warmer. Also ak SE200 has diffeent chips installed ess and akm and on menu can change sound listen akm or ess sound house.

so,you think astell kern officialy lie that SE180 with different dac modules sounds different? https://www.astellnkern.com/product/product_detail.jsp?productNo=2

Some time ago, several people and I compared DAPs with each other and with desktop setups. We compared various DAPs from all price ranges, from around €200 to over €4000, from Pioneer/Onkyo, Sony, Shanling, Fiio, A&K, etc.
Even an employee of one of the companies was taken aback when he heard the €4000 RRP device compared to the Pioneer XDP-30R / Onkyo DP-S1 (completely blinded). I would have paid at most €100 more for the metal casing of the €4000 device.
In this test, no significant differences were discernible between the different DAC chip manufacturers, even for me, an AK4499 fanboy.

If these sonic differences actually exist and are actually audible, it has nothing to do with the DAC chip used. Unless, of course, it's a very poor DAC chip, but these manufacturers don't use such things.

Such sonic differences can only be created by a DSP, the DSP and sound functions of the DAC chips, or by interfering with the analog signal.
Do you really want a filter in such a source device that is then applied to every song played and changes the music?
To me, such a thing is a very stupid idea, because you can't recover lost information.

 

[sergeauckland]

so,you think astell kern officialy lie that SE180 with different dac modules sounds different? https://www.astellnkern.com/product/product_detail.jsp?productNo=2

Yes.
S.

 

[solderdude]

so,you think astell kern officialy lie that SE180 with different dac modules sounds different?

It is akin to cable manufacturers claiming all of their cables sound different and the most expensive one sounds 'best'.

I would not call it 'lying' I would call it 'marketing talk'.
You would not call all washing detergent manufacturers 'lyers' either despite the silly advertisements which no one actually believes.

 

[Deleted member 43957]

so,you think astell kern officialy lie that SE180 with different dac modules sounds different?

 

[unpluggged]

Yes.
S.

They don't actually say that.

 

[sergeauckland]

It is akin to cable manufacturers claiming all of their cables sound different and the most expensive one sounds 'best'.

I would not call it 'lying' I would call it 'marketing talk'.
You would not call all washing detergent 'lyers' either despite the silly advertisements which no one believes.

You're obviously a much nicer person than I am. I would call most marketing talk just sophisticated lying. And I write as a former Marketing Manager, fortunately in the Broadcast industry where our marketing claims had to be backed up by measurements!

S

 

[leonasj500]

You're obviously a much nicer person than I am. I would call most marketing talk just sophisticated lying. And I write as a former Marketing Manager, fortunately in the Broadcast industry where our marketing claims had to be backed up by measurements!

S

but look,hybrid solid/tube amp daps sounds different too.from tube sounds more warm,where solid sounds more brighter detailed. some shanling M8t,N8 ii etc.