Danny Richie's latest...

[RickS]

Yep.

The video is a collaboration with GR Research.

Danny posted the original video 11 days earlier, and included a link to lossless recordings.

The file owner on Google Drive is "Ron".

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Yes, you likely will hear a difference as he made a small change in the frequency response around 1000 Hz where our hearing is sensitive. Is it an improvement? Not as clear. But the more outrageous claim is that you can hear his "next level" changes via a recording. If you hear anything, it is likely just the difference in the frequency response.

Danny is the same guy who refused Amir's setup as being insufficient to hear how much better his speakers are. NRD is a shill for GR, so his opinion is biased. Snake oil is still snake oil even if mixed with something that makes it taste better!

P.S. simple eq could do more, is easier to do and for a lot less than $360. Save your money.

 

[ta240]

It would be really handy if people would write something about the videos they are posting. I have no desire to watch most of them and thus tend to lose the conversation at that point. Even just a one line summary would be great.

All that watching most of these videos makes me wonder is how long they spend practicing their looks. The 'Deep in thought', the 'It's okay, I know more than you', the 'I care so much it nearly hurts' and so on.

 

[RickS]

Yep.

The video is a collaboration with GR Research.

Danny posted the original video 11 days earlier and included a link to lossless recordings.

The file owner on Google Drive is "Ron".

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These were $350/pair retail when brand new and his upgrade kit is $358. Would be better off applying that towards new speakers that do not require a major overhaul.

Btw, NoRez is difficult to get into a small woofer hole with the backing paper still attached. To get it inside a speaker with the adhesive exposed can only be done by cutting it into small pieces. Not sure how that affects its damping properties, but I only tried because I had some left over from the Encores. Am applying NoRez to a new build just to test the impact of covering all the surfaces of a speaker vs only each major parallel panel. Using even half can significantly affect the bass response.


P.S. Danny's latest youtube plea is for feedback, but only if you are already a customer. Anyone else is accused of being a fraud!

 

[evanft]

NoRez looks like closed cell foam you can buy in bulk from Amazon for a fraction of what Danny is selling for. I actually use it to add sound deadening to my computers. Works pretty well.

 

[MickeyBoy]

I totally agree. Doctors, lawyers and engineers are usually hard to deal with. Of course not ALL of them, just most of them. Doctors and lawyers know it all and our obviously (in their mind) always the smartest person in the room. Engineers are over the top technical. Generally poor teachers and jump into details that any non-audio person does not understand. But there is hope! Off on the horizon you see a guy mounted on a white horse trotting your way. He seems ten feet tall in the saddle. Once he arrives it is our own famous Amir. He is here to teach non-audio, non-engineers the basics, so they can at the very least make some value judgements and dodge the snake oil. So as I always say there are two types on ASR, the hardcore engineers (who argue with each other) and are fun to read, then the others are regular non-engineer people who just want to make wiser decisions and learn. So, in reality you can learn A LOT on ASR. All the way into high tech engineering if you want to get into it. Long live ASR! Amir for President! Oh wiait, I might have gotten carried away.

I have long enjoyed talking with engineers and I'm literature Ph.D
You just have to ask them their area of expertise. They will tell you. University colleagues have no area of tech knowledge, but in their own minds know everything about "global warming," Fed rate cuts, and ivermectin. Give me an honest engineerr every

 

[Todd68]

Yes, you likely will hear a difference as he made a small change in the frequency response around 1000 Hz where our hearing is sensitive. Is it an improvement? Not as clear. But the more outrageous claim is that you can hear his "next level" changes via a recording. If you hear anything, it is likely just the difference in the frequency response.

Danny is the same guy who refused Amir's setup as being insufficient to hear how much better his speakers are. NRD is a shill for GR, so his opinion is biased. Snake oil is still snake oil even if mixed with something that makes it taste better!

P.S. simple eq could do more, is easier to do and for a lot less than $360. Save your money.

Some of those posters who listened expressed hearing differences that a small change in frequency response could not provide IME. How do you explain that?

 

[RickS]

Some of those posters who listened expressed hearing differences that a small change in frequency response could not provide IME. How do you explain that?

Any number of conditions could affect individual’s ability to hear a difference. From equipment issues to damaged hearing to personal bias could affect one’s ability to discern.

I was judging by the measurements and honestly did not actually try. How was the demonstration conducted? Hearing memory is not that great so if the recordings cannot be readily switched for comparison, that may come into play too. Did you try?

 

[Joe Smith]

I certainly heard no appreciable differences between the clips. I'm of the opinion that, if you don't like the sound of your present speaker set, buy a different set, rather than endlessly tweaking.

 

[Todd68]

I certainly heard no appreciable differences between the clips. I'm of the opinion that, if you don't like the sound of your present speaker set, buy a different set, rather than endlessly tweaking.

Any number of conditions could affect individual’s ability to hear a difference. From equipment issues to damaged hearing to personal bias could affect one’s ability to hear.

I was judging by the measurements and honestly did not actually try. How was the demonstration conducted? Hearing memory is not that great so if the recordings cannot be readily switched for comparison, that may come into play too. Did you try?

I only listened with my iPhone out of curiosity. It was 5 or so short music clips that switched from before and after quickly, but you were shown which was which. With just the iPhone, the only thing I noticed was the female voice sounded better to me. I have no interest in this service so I didn’t try the full resolution version through my stereo or headphones. I read the comments, and some others who took the comparison more seriously apparently heard more of a difference.

 

[Todd68]

I certainly heard no appreciable differences between the clips. I'm of the opinion that, if you don't like the sound of your present speaker set, buy a different set, rather than endlessly tweaking.

I agree, but those speakers sound pretty good for the price, and instead of buying different speakers some just want to try and improve what they already own. Buying new speakers doesn’t guarantee more satisfaction.

 

[RickS]

I agree, but those speakers sound pretty good for the price, and instead of buying different speakers some just want to try and improve what they already own. Buying new speakers doesn’t guarantee more satisfaction.

But new does get you new drivers and warranty…

The problem is many do not have equipment to ensure the upgrade gets them a better outcome (if the upgrade is truly better). Hearing a difference may not be an improvement in accuracy. It is too easy to be deluded into believing your effort got you a better outcome than investing in newer speakers. In this case, Danny wants you to spend more than the original purchase price and does not show you how NoRez and crossover changes affect the overall tonal balance of the speaker.

 

[Purité Audio]

The ‘improvements’ cost more than the original speaker!

Keith

 

[Todd68]

The ‘improvements’ cost more than the original speaker!

Keith

I wouldn’t do it myself. Some of his kits are for expensive speakers too. There seems to be customers that are satisfied with his upgrade kits and is why I don’t understand all the negativity here.

If people were complaining about being ripped off, then I’d understand.

 

[xray]

If people were complaining about being ripped off, then I’d understand.

That would require them to admit they were wrong and made an error in judgement. To some that's worse than being ripped off.

 

[Todd68]

But new does get you new drivers and warranty…

The problem is many do not have equipment to ensure the upgrade gets them a better outcome (if the upgrade is truly better). Hearing a difference may not be an improvement in accuracy. It is too easy to be deluded into believing your effort got you a better outcome than investing in newer speakers. In this case, Danny wants you to spend more than the original purchase price and does not show you how NoRez and crossover changes affect the overall tonal balance of the speaker.

If the customer likes the sound better, then none of that matters. I used noRez on my subwoofers and it does dampen the panels. The knock test before and after confirmed it. The GR Research subs are so much better than what I was using, I don’t know or much care how much if any difference the NoRez makes, I just stuck it on cause it’s part of design.

 

[Todd68]

That would require them to admit they were wrong and made an error in judgement. To some that's worse than being ripped off.

Maybe so, but if I didn’t like the upgrade I’d at least let GR know about it.

 

[xray]

Maybe so, but if I didn’t like the upgrade I’d at least let GR know about it.

Agreed, but If they did that you'd never know about it.

 

[RickS]

If the customer likes the sound better, then none of that matters. I used noRez on my subwoofers and it does dampen the panels. The knock test before and after confirmed it. The GR Research subs are so much better than what I was using, I don’t know or much care how much if any difference the NoRez makes, I just stuck it on cause it’s part of design.

What if they do not like the result better? You have some positive experiences and that is fine, but we are just giving the consumer more information to make an informed decision. You seem to think that is negative and some of it can be, but so far you have not offered more than opinion. That does not go very far here.

ASR is more about understanding why something is better or worse than other sites. I have said that NoRez can be helpful if used in the right quantity. Its overapplication can also be detrimental and buying more than you need is simply throwing money away. Danny's upgrades often specify NoRez without any demonstrated benefit to the original speaker. Am about to do some testing to show what impact NoRez and other damping materials have and how they differ. Danny claims NoRez is better than Sonic Barrier, but does he offer any concrete measurements? He does not even do that for NoRez itself.

 

[Doodski]

@Todd68. Are these snake oil product?

LGK 2.1 Kit (Pair) | GR-Research

gr-research.com

B16 Power Cable | GR-Research

gr-research.com

B24 Power Cable | GR-Research

gr-research.com

 

[Doodski]

What if they do not like the result better? You have some positive experiences and that is fine, but we are just giving the consumer more information to make an informed decision. You seem to think that is negative and some of it can be, but so far you have not offered more than opinion. That does not go very far here.

ASR is more about understanding why something is better or worse than other sites. I have said that NoRez can be helpful if used in the right quantity. Its overapplication can also be detrimental and buying more than you need is simply throwing money away. Danny's upgrades often specify NoRez without any demonstrated benefit to the original speaker. Am about to do some testing to show what impact NoRez and other damping materials have and how they differ. Danny claims NoRez is better than Sonic Barrier, but does he offer any concrete measurements? He does not even do that for NoRez itself.

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