MAB
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Yes agree, that's my point!
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Danny at GR getting bad Talk Back from many of his viewers
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One comment I read, kind of hit home with me. A youtuber made this comment on some random video of Danny's I found weeks ago.
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If all it takes to make a speaker sound fantastic is tube connectors and upgraded caps, why doesn't ANY retail speaker company just do this stuff when they make the speakers, and corner the market with the best sounding speaker"??
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If all it takes to make a speaker sound fantastic is tube connectors and upgraded caps, why doesn't ANY retail speaker company just do this stuff when they make the speakers, and corner the market with the best sounding speaker"??
If you spend an extra dollar on fancier components that's ten or twenty dollars on the retail price so at the budget end of the market it can make you uncompetitive.
And of course it won't actually improve the sound.
At the luxury end manufacturers choose to either use adequate components and say it doesn't matter, or use fancy ones and use it as a selling point, since many audiophiles generally believe it matters. When the speakers sell for thousands a pair no-one is going to be swayed in a buying decision by a mere $40 price difference.
That argument works for a lot of questionable products and sales pitches.
People selling the questionable things are smart enough though to start off by convincing their customers that they are their friend and the retail companies are not. They find different ways to say how those companies must hate you because it would be so easy for them to do this.... but they don't.
By listening to them you become one of the 'in crowd'. Everyone wants to know something that others don't know. That is one reason that conspiracy theories flourish; and this is just a conspiracy by the speaker manufactures to make you listen to bad sound because they won't spend a few cents more and insist on using cast resistors, basic capacitors and binding posts. Whenever I see someone quoting Danny about speakers I imagine them puffing up their chest with pride that they know him.
I've noticed that many youtube channels started with the 'Ah, shucks, I'm just a guy that likes audio' theme, before easing into 'You should buy this!'. Once you've convinced people that you are on their side selling is easy.
Why don't they? It's unfair to label and color a entire group of people with that broad brush. One should keep in mind that some people are providing a service and will want to be paid and that's life. But to make it out like you did...
Why don't they? It's unfair to label and color a entire group of people with that broad brush. One should keep in mind that some people are providing a service and will want to be paid and that's life. But to make it out like you did...
I have yet to encounter a sales pitch in that style that was for a quality product from quality people. As soon as a salesperson starts insulting any other product or company I walk. Sell me on what your product does, not on how bad theirs is. And the 'hey, I'll let you in on a secret that the manufactures don't want you to know that our product will fix.' line is never followed by 'here's a quality product from us that has been tested and proven to do what it says'.
This is going to be funny but if selling Yamaha one can sell the product and not be paranoid. It takes product to make a sale and if one has it they know it.
restorer-john
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I lost count of how many HiFi dealers back in the day thought disparaging what you owned, what you'd seen elsewhere, or even entire brands was a clever way to sell.
It was pretty much SOP in the smaller 'specialist' HiFi stores with obscure (read:expensive) brands.
I don't miss that side of bricks and mortar HiFi retailers. But as @Doodski mentioned, when the entire Yamaha range was at your disposal, along with almost all the other big Japanese brands, along with plenty of US and EU speaker brands, it was easy to genuinely give the customers what they needed or wanted without denigrating anything else.
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Quality should "sell itself". It's a saying in my language. I think it's true.
I think that a quality product speaks for itself without needing to stand on others.
I think that a quality product speaks for itself without needing to stand on others.
thecheapseats
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yes - Quality does "sell itself" - over and over again every single time... you bet it's true...
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I'm not sure what you insinuate?
Or if you agree or not.thecheapseats
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must be a translate problem - I totally agree...I'm not sure what you insinuate?
Hi MAB,
I am facing up the same problem with my Linkwitz Orion tweeters - they are more than 20 years old and sound "dull" without the life and highs. Initially, I was looking for some xover or amp problem, but it seems that dry ferrofluid is the reason (I did not opened the tweeters yet).
So, I ordered the new ferrofluid and will try to replace it.
Hope it will help, thank you for your suggestion.
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Proper parts? I've spoken with some of the best speaker designers over the years and none of them recommend top shelf crossover parts. They've used them just to say "no expense spared" but as a matter of audibility, not necessary.
fpitas
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A few say they hear tiny differences sometimes. But often the reasonably priced parts sound "better" if they had to choose.
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Expensive parts will probably have tighter tolerances, no? So if you design something there's a higher chance it will be closer to the calculated response.
Depends on what the "expense" is targeting. If, for example, an expensive part is designed to protect its internals from gravitational waves or from quantum field fluctuations, it may well be very expensive and yet, not at all suited to the task of performing its basic function.
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I thought we were discussing components in crossovers?
I thought we were discussing components in crossovers?
Don't underestimate the effect of gravitational waves on speaker crossovers!
If you want different examples, think about expensive silver wire, or expensive audiophile-grade capacitors, etc.
Killingbeans
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Sometimes, but not inherently.
A €300 10uF Mundorf MCap® SUPREME Classic SilverGold.Oil is +/-2%. That's a bit better than what you normally get from cheap film caps.
But then again, you can find non-audiophile caps with +/-1% ratings at a tiny fraction of that cost.
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