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Danny at GR getting bad Talk Back from many of his viewers
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My comment on his newest video was deleted within 2 hours.
I absolutely cannot stand his "act." His whole "Hey everybody... ...aaw shucks, cheesy sand cast resistors..." chicanery is about as disingenuous as it gets. As are the bot comments like: "...hey I visited Danny to hear his SUX-Oticas, and went home with a pair of Maddies..." Always some clearly bullshit comment like that as soon as the video's released.
Trying to reason with him in good-faith is not possible.
Dude's a carpetbagging, snakeoil shuckster. Garbage. Worse than Rubbishaudioman. At least I can have a chuckle at the latter even if I need to take a shower after.
I absolutely cannot stand his "act." His whole "Hey everybody... ...aaw shucks, cheesy sand cast resistors..." chicanery is about as disingenuous as it gets. As are the bot comments like: "...hey I visited Danny to hear his SUX-Oticas, and went home with a pair of Maddies..." Always some clearly bullshit comment like that as soon as the video's released.
Trying to reason with him in good-faith is not possible.
Dude's a carpetbagging, snakeoil shuckster. Garbage. Worse than Rubbishaudioman. At least I can have a chuckle at the latter even if I need to take a shower after.
Well, he did work for someone who did this exact thing.
Gathering you mean the Encore Extreme? Does have some extreme aspects...
It looks like another case of trying to dump more of his old driver inventory as it adds rear firing tweeter to the previous Encore. Still does not get good directivity as the horizontal off-axis looks pretty messy...
All that bunching between 2-4 kHz really destroys any claim that he knows good crossover design. Along with the higher output above that, this speaker is likely to screech at you. Ofc, Danny will claim a more euphonic sound and you will pay much more than the original Encore at more than $2500/pair.
Are these really his next "giant killers"?
I think you nailed it on the head, RickS, especially WRT to the pallet of $3 drivers from the Middle Kingdom. I'm pretty sure that's what he was trying to accomplish with the "LGK' cringe-boxes. Didn't he want around $1K for the kit? That dude has no shame or integrity. I get it, free-market economy, laissez faire and all that, but it feels like such a con.
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I saw that, Instead of sending a Pair to Erin, he said Erin is welcome to come "Hear" them in Texas at the GR warehouse.
The ONLY reason for Erin to be involved is in my opinion to Measure them, not just listen to them.
Okay guys I am confused??
This new speaker is just the same drivers as his far cheaper version, but with a rear firing basic tweeter,......Follow me?
WHY does it cost so much more, when all the drivers are very basic but not bad drivers?
I mean being serious, its a nice box, but very run of the mill entry/average drivers...what am I missing??
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To be fair to him, he's probably correct. As we all know, "more expensive" does not mean "better". Some of those guys seem not to take any measurements at all. There are speakers where the only modification required is to tighten some screws or seal some holes and they perform better!
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I hate danny but no one can xover their way out of that DI mismatch.
You're not missing any brain matter and I think that's why you don't get it.
Wondered why Danny has not posted anything new lately and found out he is promoting these Encore Extremes with a try before you buy. So, the promo is apparently taking priority over posting new content. Lol, this significantly contrasts with his NRD speakers that are sold with a final sale policy.
Either he does not give much thought to his business practices or really needs to move some Encores?
Either he does not give much thought to his business practices or really needs to move some Encores?
So, only if the more customer friendly policy works with a speaker that costs less to ship, would he consider it for the more expensive one? What if it doesn’t? Will Encore Extremes be final sale products too?
I'm just sharing what I read.
Yes, and thanks for sharing. Seems to illustrate my point about what seems to be a haphazard product strategy...
Maybe we need a speaker with a rear-firing full range speaker...
How about we add a Shuntaya harp device?
Maybe what we really need is one with a rear-firing tweeter instead...
Think it might sell better if we offer a try before you buy promo?
Which speaker should we offer it on? Let's try it one the one that is cheaper to ship and see if it helps first!
All seems to be a very tactical approach to offering products. Have to admit GR does a very odd product mix.
While the "suck out" is in the crossover region, the crossover is at 1900 Hz. The suck out is at 1500 Hz. If you look at EAC's verticals, guess where you will find a the dip...
If you look around 20-40 degrees off axis, is really close to 1500 Hz. If Danny measured off-axis as I suggested earlier, the dip is right were you expect it to be at 1500 Hz. Note the EAC measure is flattish on-axis. Danny’s alleged on-axis is not.
This is the nature of driver vertical integration and does NOT scream a need to do a new crossover. Am not saying Klipsch was perfect in the past, but this speaker does not exhibit the major on-axis dip as Danny claims. If he is not intentionally misleading on the root cause, he may have simply found what he expected he would and did not verify his work.
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He does this all the time. He only ever measures at tweeter axis, even when it's inappropriate to do so given it isn't the reference axis. And on a speaker with driver spacing as large as that Klipsch, at 1m that can still be a huge amount different.
(That said he isn't wrong per se about those Klipsch woofers being garbage, but that's more a matter of them being cheapish metal cone drivers than anything else...)
Just means he doesn't stand behind his products. He doesn't believe his speakers are as good as he pretends. If they were , returns would be rare.
Here is where it gets very rich for Danny to criticize…
This is the on-axis response of his Klipsch upgrade on a comparable speaker. The pattern of the vertical directivity is the almost identical to the Klipsch in my previous post. Even if you are not experienced with measuring loudspeakers, you can see the same vertical directivity characteristic in most every multi-driver speaker available. For this particular upgrade, Danny actually worsened the vertical directivity.
This is the on-axis response of his Klipsch upgrade on a comparable speaker. The pattern of the vertical directivity is the almost identical to the Klipsch in my previous post. Even if you are not experienced with measuring loudspeakers, you can see the same vertical directivity characteristic in most every multi-driver speaker available. For this particular upgrade, Danny actually worsened the vertical directivity.
That's from the GR Reserach Klipsch RP-600M mod (Amir has measured) isn't it? To me it looks like this particular GR Research mod looks good and also Amir concluded "Overall, this is a job well done by GR Research and I am going to recommend it to owners if they are not inclined to use my software EQ fix.". Original response measured by Amir looked far worth:
To me it looks like some of the older Klipsch models had these crossover region suck out issue but the newer ones or the older ones with GR Reserach mod less or not at all.
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