Danny at GR getting bad Talk Back from many of his viewers

[Ktacos]

I think it's funny that the original mod had one singular failure point, and it's that it could not in a way make the speaker worse else it presented no value to the customer. Well, it failed. Thus is was basically a pointless product to sell.

The updated xover moving the xover point up is an admittance that he was wrong, which kind of kills his whole business model but I think people who watch his stuff are too dumb to connect the dots on that one.

I bet he won't sell any, and is probobably focusing more on generating ad revenue from the drama.

 

[beagleman]

I have not made any deals with Danny. The only correspondence we have had was an email I sent him about a month ago regarding copyright infringement as he was pulling images from our website without permission. That is it. There has been no engagement between us, if he says we made a deal, he is flat out lying. I did not even care about his modification until I saw the schematic and immediately saw a problem.

I understand he posted yet another video today. I haven't even watched the last one. I do not have the time or patience to sit through multi-hour long videos of someone slandering me. My concern in all of this remains the same, something Danny doesn't seem to understand or won't admit. The 10dB increase in distortion at only 86dB @ 1 meter is fully indicative of the 64-10x being pushed too hard due to lack of proper filtering. This will result in damaged tweeters, which will cause us major headaches. RAAL took one look at his crossover schematic and agreed.

These are very expensive tweeters with long lead times and endless complications with importing these days. We are just about out of stock and our version of this tweeter is a bit different than the standard version, as such - replacements must be purchased from us.

I refuse to play these childish games with him. Does he not know how to discuss an issue without making a YouTube video? I understand he makes money from this, I will certainly not pad his pockets by spending whatever free time I have wadding through hours and hours of videos.

If he has something he wants to discuss with me, he knows how to reach me. I have a hunch he won't bother to contact me as this latest video is likely his way of admitting he made a mistake, without actually admitting it.

Danny - I am sure you are reading this - if you would like to discuss something, you know how to reach me.

Dave, truly sorry to have posted his latest antics, and feel I may have wasted your precious time even mentioning it.

As usual he is never "Wrong", and you made MANY great points. Truly wish you the best!

 

[madrac]

Danny wants to make a deal with Dave: Dave can order the upgrade, and Danny will send it to him.

Guess this is Danny's way to sell "upgrade" kit #2 - since he did mention he had only sold one (and according to him, Dave got it underhandedly).
Further, guess is offering to send Ascend the parts in bulk is him trying to figure out a way to get rid of all the stuff he bought that will sit in his garage for some time.

 

[Buckchester]

I don't think they have. Both crossovers and drivers are just screwed to the cabinet, and the crossover attach via clips to drivers, so unless people soldered wire directly to the driver terminals, nothing to indicate they were opened. Most speaker companies don't have such security mechanisms I believe, as people typically don't have much to do in terms of opening speakers and tweaking/breaking internal components.

That's what is annoying with Danny. Snake oil scammers typically stick to their snake oil crap and that's that. But Danny does measurements, and some manufacturer crossovers do appear to be improvable since there are bad designs out there, example, (without watching the clip or knowing if his 'fixing' really is a valid fix)

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The above response does seem improved. But again, his upgrade kits are ridiculously overpriced, and will contain a bunch of snake oil components, for which he provides no measurements of his snake vs normal crossover components.

I'm guessing using non snake oil components, just a normal sane crossover wouldn't cost more than $100. Example; Madisound kit with 2 drivers and 2 tweeters are $320, and you get 2 assembled crossovers; https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/2-way-speaker-kits/zaph|audio-za5.2-tm-2-way-pair/ not just diagrams and a bunch of caps, resistors, wire, solder, etc.

And, for a well designed speaker like a speaker from Ascend, there's pretty much nothing to fix!

I’m guessing it wouldn’t take much to fix the frequency response in a Totem speaker. In fact, you could probably get lucky with do it without even knowing what you’re doing.

And to think all the guys at my old stereo shop used to RAVE about Totem. They told me they had to take them out of the room with the Paradigm Studios because the Totems sounded SO much better that nobody wanted to buy the Paradigms anymore..

 

[GM3]

I’m guessing it wouldn’t take much to fix the frequency response in a Totem speaker. In fact, you could probably get lucky with do it without even knowing what you’re doing.

And to think all the guys at my old stereo shop used to RAVE about Totem. They told me they had to take them out of the room with the Paradigm Studios because the Totems sounded SO much better that nobody wanted to buy the Paradigms anymore..

Not entirely sure they were all that bad, but maybe that depend on which product... I do recall reading/hearing that Vince of Totem 'designed' his speakers by ear. lol

Danny wants to make a deal with Dave: Dave can order the upgrade, and Danny will send it to him.

Guess this is Danny's way to sell "upgrade" kit #2 - since he did mention he had only sold one (and according to him, Dave got it underhandedly).
Further, guess is offering to send Ascend the parts in bulk is him trying to figure out a way to get rid of all the stuff he bought that will sit in his garage for some time.

imho, his offer (that Dave should buy his kit and listen to it) and his video were downright patronizing and insulting.

A good faith offer would have been Danny sending Dave a pair of his completed crossovers, so that Dave could measure them and listen to them for himself and hear the improvement. But a snake oil vendor telling a manufacturer to buy his overpriced snake oil upgrade so he can listen to them, and that he's also willing to then sell him his snake oil parts so he can use/sell them... Guy's a troll! And do not feed the troll is likely best.

 

[amirm]

A good faith offer would have been Danny sending Dave a pair of his completed crossovers, so that Dave could measure them and listen to them for himself and hear the improvement. But a snake oil vendor telling a manufacturer to buy his overpriced snake oil upgrade so he can listen to them, and that he's also willing to then sell him his snake oil parts so he can use/sell them... Guy's a troll! And do not feed the troll is likely best.

Worse yet, if Dave builds his own and doesn't confirm Danny's claim, he can always use the excuse of, "he didn't build it right." That is precisely what he did when we bought the kit and reviewed it. Even when we were willing to buy the "upgraded parts," he sold them to us at full retail!

What he really needs to do is build the one speaker with all his "parts," then do a comparison blind with a few local audiophiles to prove that there is a preference for his.

 

[Jim Taylor]

A good faith offer ...

I'm not sure Danny knows (or wants to know) what good faith means.

 

[Everett T]

Worse yet, if Dave builds his own and doesn't confirm Danny's claim, he can always use the excuse of, "he didn't build it right." That is precisely what he did when we bought the kit and reviewed it. Even when we were willing to buy the "upgraded parts," he sold them to us at full retail!

That's exactly why Danny threw it out there. He is always looking for an out when it comes to his business dealings.

 

[Chaos01]

Okay so this is how Danny is adressing my comment, to send his speakers to an independent reviewer. He deleted my comment!
I posted the same comment twice, and twice he deleted it. He is a coward.

I wrote a comment to a User who wrote that He still would buy the First Kit. I Just wrote neutral to have a look on the klippel measurements from Dave on His Forum before buying.
My comment was deleted also. It seems that Danny deletes all critical, even neutral comments.

I really dont Like that He also deleted more comments that Just say to look at both views before judging. Reminds me to a dictatorship.

I Like some of His Videos which Show expensive High end speaker with cheap xover parts in it. Like a Luxus Car with cheap tires or other cheap parts, that would be a nogo, but Nobody opens a 10k sonus Faber speaker or other $$ brand..

He really Play down the math and tec from a klippel, that make him look like his way to design Crossover is in gerneral good but from the 90's and not Open to modern improvement and modern technology. He could improve His Designs so much with a klippel.

Whatever, already wasted to much time to follow His drama.

 

[Mart68]

I Like some of His Videos which Show expensive High end speaker with cheap xover parts in it. Like a Luxus Car with cheap tires or other cheap parts,

It's nothing like an expensive car with cheap tyres. His whole schtick and the whole 'crossover upgrade' schtick is based on the idea that a five quid capacitor is 'better' than one that cost fifty pence. There's no evidence that this is true.

A 50p cap is £5 on the price of the speaker, a £5 cap is £50 on the price. Why inflate your price for no benefit? That's why many speakers use 'cheap parts.' Those that don't tend to be aimed at audiophiles, are very expensive for what they are (often a little two-way) and often have very poor measured performance in pretty much every parameter. But fancy caps!

 

[Chaos01]

It's nothing like an expensive car with cheap tyres. His whole schtick and the whole 'crossover upgrade' schtick is based on the idea that a five quid capacitor is 'better' than one that cost fifty pence. There's no evidence that this is true.

A 50p cap is £5 on the price of the speaker, a £5 cap is £50 on the price. Why inflate your price for no benefit? That's why many speakers use 'cheap parts.' Those that don't tend to be aimed at audiophiles, are very expensive for what they are (often a little two-way) and often have very poor measured performance in pretty much every parameter. But fancy caps!

I get your Point. For Caps thats maybe the Case, but better dont generalize all Cap manufacturer without provide the source which list the black sheaps.
For Iron Core inductors in the hf curcuit thats not the case but Air core are much cheaper then fancy Caps. But it was not my Intention to discuss about that.

 

[beagleman]

By Danny's own admission, he never builds crossover, and never actually listens to the speakers he "upgrades" he simply designs a crossover on "paper" and sells the parts and schematic without any real listening or usage or design.

It all sounds unreal in some ways. He is just plugging the woofer and tweeter response into a crossover design program like ANY of us have or could do and coming up with values........its a bit insincere what he does.

 

[Chaos01]

By Danny's own admission, he never builds crossover, and never actually listens to the speakers he "upgrades" he simply designs a crossover on "paper" and sells the parts and schematic without any real listening or usage or design.

It all sounds unreal in some ways. He is just plugging the woofer and tweeter response into a crossover design program like ANY of us have or could do and coming up with values........its a bit insincere what he does.

I dont think that this is true, i dont think he is using Software beside clio. I asked once If he uses vituix CAD but he did not know about it.
As far as i can see, he measures simple and Just clamp the xover parts together, measures again, and so on. Something Like vcad would be way faster. I dont want to wasted my time to find His video with the information about this, maybe someone else know. But it really doesnt matter. If there is a klippel designed speaker its simply not helpful to try improve it without taking klippel measurements again.

 

[gwing]

By Danny's own admission, he never builds crossover, and never actually listens to the speakers he "upgrades" he simply designs a crossover on "paper" and sells the parts and schematic without any real listening or usage or design.

It all sounds unreal in some ways. He is just plugging the woofer and tweeter response into a crossover design program like ANY of us have or could do and coming up with values........its a bit insincere what he does.

Is that really the case? I have personally only ever watched a couple of his utube videos but from memory those videos showed before and after measurements of the modified speaker.

 

[madrac]

Is that really the case? I have personally only ever watched a couple of his utube videos but from memory those videos showed before and after measurements of the modified speaker.

Yes, I believe it is the case by Danny's own admission. One doesn't need to take measurements to make a graph. He could very well be entering made up numbers & plotting, or using some sort of simulation program (which is a stretch for him, IMO), or he has a chimpanzee with a box of Crayolas & some paper drawing them.

 

[mhardy6647]

One doesn't need to take measurements to make a graph.

Stereophile did this with loudspeakers (EDIT: or, at least, with headphones) in their very early days!

From the Winter '71-72 issue (issue "4/71-72" in their parlance of the time). Yeah, it's a headphone, but you get the idea. I love all of youse guyses, but even I ain't gonna spend all morning combing through PDFs to find a more cogent illustration!

That said: while I am at it -- From the same issue, from an article titled Subjective Testing, Part 5:

I must say: this is revelatory.
I think that expensive speaker tester thingy @amirm uses can be replaced by a recording of him going "FOOD JOE RUN STRAW BED EEEEEEE SSSSSS T!"
Maybe he can get donate it to a charity or NPR and get a tax write-off.

 

[Spkrdctr]

Worse yet, if Dave builds his own and doesn't confirm Danny's claim, he can always use the excuse of, "he didn't build it right." That is precisely what he did when we bought the kit and reviewed it. Even when we were willing to buy the "upgraded parts," he sold them to us at full retail!

What he really needs to do is build the one speaker with all his "parts," then do a comparison blind with a few local audiophiles to prove that there is a preference for his.

Danny has done blind tests before and he has no idea how to even do our in home blind testing. Last time a few years ago he just closed his eyes while the New Record Day guy switched between two different items. It was obvious from the switching process which device under test was playing. Amazingly, Danny had a 100% success rate. I stopped following his antics after that. It is appalling. But his business model is like the big manufacturers. Just baffle the buyers with pseudo science and plenty of voodoo. I think Danny should do a product tie up with Shunyata. A snake marriage made in heaven!

 

[Alan O]

I think Danny should do a product tie up with Shunyata. A snake marriage made in heaven!

He just did, using some of their nonsense in his new speaker design, didn't he?

 

[Spkrdctr]

He just did, using some of their nonsense in his new speaker design, didn't he?

OMG! I didn't know that. I tried to plumb the depths of stupidity and he beat ne to it!

 

[RickS]

He just did, using some of their nonsense in his new speaker design, didn't he?

Yes, see here earlier in thread...

Danny at GR getting bad Talk Back from many of his viewers

Danny thinks he is the best and only competent speaker designer in the world. Everything is junk, except for his precious speaker kits. His no-rez and sonic caps are deserving of a Nobel prize for awesomeness. His tube connectors are next, next, next, next level! It smells like sweet spring...

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