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Danny at GR getting bad Talk Back from many of his viewers

I think that Wolf has read how things are usuallly done around here. I will not beat him up repeatedly as he is probably learning at this time. The more he hangs around here the more he will learn about subjective thinking. I hope he does learn about it as A/B tests are useless. The brain is too finicky. But we all have to learn:)
 
I am one of those who looks at @Wolf somewhat askance. If I have wronged him in any way, please forgive me. However, please hear me out before passing judgement.

In the first place, there have been many examples in the last few years of "sleeper" accounts, where the member has a join date that goes back several years (in this case, 2020). Their activity seems to be innocuous, and then BOOM! ... all of a sudden, they engage as a troll. So "member in good standing" doesn't always count for much; sometimes yes and sometimes no.

Secondly, @Wolf has only 719 posts in slightly over 5 years. That's certainly not a crime. However, it is suspicious, in light of what I've described above.

Mentioning that "Dave does this" and"Dave did that" is very odd. Repeatedly talking about "Dave" in the third-person omniscient (so to speak) is highly suspicious.

There exists a certain style of "falsely disarming" comments. These can be things such as, "I was just asking a question, that's all", or, "All I was doing was telling you what happened to me". These are not absolutely 100% signs of a troll, but IME trolls use them more than run-of-the-mill posters.

So the reason I was suspicious of @Wolf was more a case of a number of small indicators rather than some sort of huge, obvious offensive post.

As I said above, I apologize if in any way I have wronged @Wolf. Perhaps, in reading this he will understand why some of us doubted him. :)
I was on the PE Tech Talk forum for several years. Wolf was very active over there, so I can attest to his realness as a person and speaker builder. However, like I said in my earlier post, he absolutely believes in snake oil.
 
Years ago on the PE Tech Talk forum he claimed he could hear the difference between ordinary capacitors and boutique capacitors. So, yes, he believes in snake oil.
Yes, I DO realize that, long time PE Tech Talk member myself, and YES I disagree mostly with those sentiments.

I was mostly defending him, as he is not some Troll, or snake oil salesman, and honestly its okay to have differing views here was all.

I think he had no bad will in his comment, and maybe we are a bit harsh at times. (Sermon over)



Oops, Sorry Rick, just saw YOUR comment after putting mine on.. :facepalm:
 
Well, I haven't seen the refund yet (got email that it was out of stock originally) but I am very disappointed in him refusing to sell me the product. I could have had someone else order it but I chose to do it myself as I wanted full transparency here.

As for his complaints, as with his power cord, I absolutely planned on listening and capturing the output of the system playing music. See: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/gr-research-b24-ac-cord-review.35685/

My view on all of this is that even though we know from engineering these things don't do anything useful, it is always good to test them anyway as to not have to generalize. So I spend good money and ton of effort to test such gear. Clearly he is afraid of what proper testing would show.
 
No one seems to do double blind testing. I realize randomly switching out a power route is non trivial, but as Danny claims the differences are dramatic / night and day a 20 second cutover / cutback should be obvious.

Of course we'll never settle this. Because excuses will be made about can't use this gear can't use that can't use that room or the listeners were deaf or biased to one side or another.
 
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‘No one seems to do double blind testing.’
It is not in the ‘industries’ interest to even mention unsighted comparison, it was always been ‘the emperors new clothes’ until ASR were the little boy who cried out.

Keith
 
Well, I haven't seen the refund yet (got email that it was out of stock originally) but I am very disappointed in him refusing to sell me the product. I could have had someone else order it but I chose to do it myself as I wanted full transparency here.

As for his complaints, as with his power cord, I absolutely planned on listening and capturing the output of the system playing music. See: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/gr-research-b24-ac-cord-review.35685/

My view on all of this is that even though we know from engineering these things don't do anything useful, it is always good to test them anyway as to not have to generalize. So I spend good money and ton of effort to test such gear. Clearly he is afraid of what proper testing would show.
Danny also mentions your test of his LGK 2.0. Watch from 21:13 in Danny's video, where he says that LGK 2.0 only have 10 watts (RMS I think he means) power handling and that you are pushing them too much and that they therefore sound bad, distort too much.

Danny means that they should be placed on a deskop for near-field listening and only fed with 1 to a maximum of 2 watts.
What was their sensitivity? With good intentions, let's say an average of 82 dB. So max SPL not much more than 82 dB.
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I don't really know what to say. You don't say anything bad about it in your review, as far as I can see. You state what they can handle, what the limits are for the small broadband driver.

In my eyes, the LGK 2.0 broadband driver is more suitable as a midrange driver. They should neither be pushed to get bass (x-max 1mm) nor for the highest frequencies due to beaming.
BUT, a midrange driver with 10 watts RMS, 82 dB sensitivity will not render in any SPL monster (three-way) speakers, even if they were to start operating from 300Hz-500Hz and up.
 
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Danny responds.


Since this post lacks a summary, I will provide one to satisfy ASR policy. As the title suggests Danny is out to polarize measurements vs listening when reality is we do measurements AND listening. He starts out admitting that his UberBUSS power conditioner has many critics but soon flips towards making a snob appeal argument in its favor. Next is a historical review to attempt to paint ASR members as haters of him and his products. He closes by revealing that despite being paid in full, he will not send a unit to Amir. He further claims that demand has exceeded supply and he will supply a review unit to others when customer orders are satisfied. Makes one wonder why the NRD review unit cannot be shared? He also claims he has made all kinds of measurements but the video fails to provide any.

On a more personal note, Danny’s video also attempts to rewrite history on the X-LS Encore build we did. While attempting to play the victim, he conveniently blames anyone else other than admit his failings and own up to fixing them for his customers. I was asked about the plans for a second speaker test back in 2021. I posted my response here:


Despite after an overall positive initial review was posted, Danny was the one insisting that he would supply his own build. His new video shows my somewhat exasperated post afterwards. Am doing yet another build (as he requested) but he is still unhappy about a mono listening test. He refuses to deliver on a promise to supply a matched pair as the ones I built did not match. At that point, was pretty clear he was unwilling to cooperate and would not accept anything less than Amir coming to listen in his room.

In a truly bizarre twist, Danny’s latest video talks about science and despite claiming measurements are not enough, has not offered any listening test that conforms to scientific standards. He keeps claiming measurements are insufficient and objectivists just need to listen. His claim is that audio is about listening and therefore it is the only way to truly test. In a major fail, he cannot see the obvious analogy to those who claimed “just look and you can see the earth is flat”. Instead he makes yet another contradictory claim that objectivists are those lacking in science. He further revels in how well his perversion of science frustrates objectivists.

When Danny’s upgrade videos lack any listening tests at all, is pretty hypocritical to single out others when he does not listen himself. If he truly wants to know how audio science is done, he could start by watching Dr. Toole’s recent AES presentation. It is all about how measurements AND listening yield useful results. :)
 
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Since this post lacks a summary, I will provide one to satisfy ASR policy
Thanks Rick, most appreciated as I got 1m 30s into the video and had already facepalmed 3 times and thought by the time I got to the end I would have a sore forehead. :facepalm:


Danny... what to say. Yes, ASR has an agenda... to get rid of snake oil sellers, like you, from this industry once and for all.

You can carry on all you like about "flat Earthers", but you're just making yourself look silly and very disingenuous.

The reason no one watched your UberBUSS video, is because it's a complete waste of time... not just the video, but the entire product. In fact the electrical safety of same has come into question and should be addressed, not this "revenge" video, poor form. If an uncertified product causes an electric shock, fire or property damage, the lack of safety certification can be used as evidence of negligence in a lawsuit.


JSmith
 
To follow up on an earlier post, Danny confirmed that the UberBUSS product is potted (filled with an insulating resin). Given it's in a MDF box, the potting is clearly meant to hide the internals. That much potting is also increasing the weight. At 20 pounds, it is pretty hefty.

So, it is a true black box from a testing perspective. Based on the description, it mainly has capacitors to do some filtering and not much else. As it has limited benefit for most systems, am pleased Amir will have the funds to spend on more beneficial product(s). :cool:

P.S. GR's forum is on AudioCircle. When UberBUSS was brought up there, the owners asked that the thread be removed. As you can see below, the owners had banned the UberBUSS designer due to his earlier claims...

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I watched bits, the vibes of sleazebaggery & charlatanry I get from Danny are just off the charts. To the level of Mark L.Shifter He's like the epitome of snake oil salesman for me now.

Notes on psychology. Lame cults like av123.com or now GR Research always rely on on the cult mentality, like at 23:26, when he's accusing of "bashing a driver", "most of my customers can see through that and realize he's trying to just throw dirt at everything I do.". Oh yeah really? He did a poll? Or did he just pull that out of his ass? He just keeps going to logical fallacies and he's just trying to rile up his half retarded followers to shitpile. "Everyone was laughing at him... I got lots of emails... Everyone can hear it..", yeah, sure...

It's just more lies and BS from Danny... As always.

Anyway, huge waste of time. But IMHO, the lesson to learn here is that Dannie Richie proves the quote true:

“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” -- Mark Twain

There's even an argument to make here against arguing with an idiot whose paycheck depends on not understanding or admitting that he's wrong.
 
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The comments section of that video is really sad. Danny is very good at manipulating people who lack adequate capacity for critical thinking. Engaging with people like that will serve no purpose other than to enrage oneself. People need to discover and accept ASR organically - that’s how I did it. And decide for themselves if scientific discovery is for them.
 
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