The 15” driver used in Anton is a custom built model. See the spectograph of the Anton system taken by a DH customer in London, UK in an apartment with no acoustic treatment. Does anyone know of a speaker as linear as this? If so, let me know. In addition, Anton has efficiency of 99.5 db, max spl of 120db across the audio band. Please check the specs and listen before casting judgments. FYI the Anton is only sold with the Maria 350 amplifier, Anton tuning done by legendary mastering engineer Ted Jensen.
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oh.
we hit a nerve.
we hit a nerve.
The DH M1 Delta cabinets are built with mirror finish black plexi, 10 times the cost of wood. May I ask why someone would post a doctored image that has no relevance to what DH makes? This type of sarcasm is not helpful and only breeds cynicism that benefits no one. Btw the M1 Delta has specs and performance beyond any loudspeaker available, bar none. Hearing is believing.
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The Anton is indeed sold with the Maria amplifier from what I've seen, as a complete system. It's not required to run off the amplifier alone, it's just nominal in all aspects and sold as a bundle. Skepticism can be healthy however this thread provides no evidence nor experience. I see a lot of assumptions, accusations, and claims, however I see no such data to back up said reasoning other than uninformed misinterpretation. I'm open to all rebuttal with verifiably true evidence, as burden of proof lies on the accuser.Please get your own facts right, or fix your website.
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We are eager to see a complete set of measurements of this speaker.
And perhaps a teardown to see which driver is used. I anticipate the
But more importantly measurements, complete. Speakers radiate sound as they are measured. Rooms do the rest.
Until DH publishes accurate measurements of his product, the burden of proof is on his business.
It would be interested to see if DH customers are getting hornswoggled into also purchasing the Maria amp as if it was necessary. Looks like at least one customer was convinced they could only be sold together.
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1) In fairness to DH:
Sica not Spica -- unless you do think it's a Spica driver (I do remember that name, albeit not absolutely sure the context was audio).
... and it could be a custom part made by them using their normal frame, etc., but with tweaks to the surround, cone, dustcap, spider, or, yes, even motors (cf. my earlier comment about CTS, etc.).
2) hornswoggled
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FWIW, I think our armchair assessments are reasonable enough a priori. We're less interested in language crafting and more interested in objective and relevant assessment of performance. Here, we're seeing a 1950s/60s style Tannoy coax variant at a high price point. The lack of a proper HF waveguide seems like adding an unnecessary handicap to the design that would have to be fixed by signal processing. Certainly achievable, but why? And the cabinetry is... at best... stark, given the cost. Tannoy, bless their hearts, would charge big bucks, but throw in nice cabinetry.
The Tannoy coaxes were/are not bad at all, either -- albeit not particularly high sensitivity.
Tannoy Westminster Royal:
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The Tannoy coaxes were/are not bad at all, either -- albeit not particularly high sensitivity.
Tannoy Westminster Royal:
Tannoy Westminster Royal
What's the deal with these, are they worth $50,000?
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Imo that is a very impressive spectrograph, ESPECIALLY for a prosound coaxial. Are you comfortable sharing any specifics of the measurement conditions?
A 99 dB efficient driver that has real-world extension to 25 Hz either has a combination of parameters almost never seen together, OR help from EQ, OR a little of both. I'll not ask you to reveal your secret sauce(s).
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To those who are critical of the marketing that accompanies these speakers, remember that marketing =/= engineering.
Twenty years ago the marketing department of one of the speakers I competed against made a claim that was imo outlandish. I was extremely confident that my more-conservatively-described speaker surpassed theirs in that particular area. But despite my eyes rolling at their marketing claims, my ears were mightily impressed with how their speakers actually sounded. They were doing something right that matters, and my speakers were not doing it. (And yes I'll name names if anyone is curious.)
My point being, don't judge the Anton's engineering by how its marketing strikes you.
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FWIW, I think our armchair assessments are reasonable enough a priori. We're less interested in language crafting and more interested in objective and relevant assessment of performance. Here, we're seeing a 1950s/60s style Tannoy coax variant at a high price point. The lack of a proper HF waveguide seems like adding an unnecessary handicap to the design that would have to be fixed by signal processing. Certainly achievable, but why? And the cabinetry is... at best... stark, given the cost. Tannoy, bless their hearts, would charge big bucks, but throw in nice cabinetry.
The Tannoy coaxes were/are not bad at all, either -- albeit not particularly high sensitivity.
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Tannoy Westminster Royal:
Tannoy Westminster Royal
What's the deal with these, are they worth $50,000?
There is a pair of Tannoy M-1000 Super Red Studio Monitors on Craigslist in Miami - Hallandale. If I had the room for them I'd get them. Worked on those in the Studio back in the day and they are excellent, albeit not - in my opinion, and experience - for Recording and Mixing. Too sweet. For at home though - yes, and yes.
At under 6k, as I said - plenty of money for other goodies, and a vacation - compared to the "Anton" . No relation to the advertisement, merely a comparison.
Tannoy M-1000 Super Red Studio Monitors Rare Speakers - electronics - by owner - sale - craigslist
Tannoy M1000. 15” Super Red Monitor dual-concentric driver in a huge 230 litre cabinet, large enough to fit a 6ft adult inside. It’s hard to convey the imposing size of these things with a photo....
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Yeah, I spent some quality time with an on-loan pair of Tannoy Devons some years back. Enjoyed it, too.
I am still more partial to Duplexes (which I can afford) or RCA LC-1As (which I cannot afford), coax-wise.
I am still more partial to Duplexes (which I can afford) or RCA LC-1As (which I cannot afford), coax-wise.
The speaker in question was the Von Schweikert VR-4, not sure which version. Side-by-side in the same large room, levels matched with pink noise, my considerably bigger Jazz Modules clearly had deeper bass extension despite the claims of Von Schweikert's marketing department. And my speakers arguably did a few other things better. But...
There was a "this just feels more natural" aspect of the Von Schweikerts that resulted in my prospective customer deciding to keep the speakers he had. It was more of a "spatial quality" thing than a "sound quality" thing. And it was a valuable learning experience for me.
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Ha! I remember when I first saw that in Stereo Review magazine... what... maybe four decades ago?
Those were the days, my friend.
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