I used the word "tricks", but you should find the word "marketing" as well.
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DacMagicPlus Filter Mirror Images - Short Study
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This should show the filter response more clearly on a Topping D10s.
https://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/dac/topping-d10s.php#gsc.tab=0
Zoom level is actually smaller than what RMAA used as default.
Khadas Tone Board:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...iontek-khadas-tone-board-dac.4823/post-657926
Just for contrast here is my 16 years old X-Fi XtremeMusic with a CS4382:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...nts-of-evga-nu-audio-pc-card.9137/post-385305
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...terface-recording-suggestion.5980/post-135879
Topping D10s imaging:
X-Fi Elite Pro (CS4398)
IIRC all these products don't have user selectable filters, though the chips themselves have different filters. Too bad I am not Julian Dunn though I have similar opinions as him. If people still think it is all marketing, it is really up to them.
https://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/dac/topping-d10s.php#gsc.tab=0
Zoom level is actually smaller than what RMAA used as default.
Khadas Tone Board:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...iontek-khadas-tone-board-dac.4823/post-657926
Just for contrast here is my 16 years old X-Fi XtremeMusic with a CS4382:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...nts-of-evga-nu-audio-pc-card.9137/post-385305
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...terface-recording-suggestion.5980/post-135879
Topping D10s imaging:
X-Fi Elite Pro (CS4398)
IIRC all these products don't have user selectable filters, though the chips themselves have different filters. Too bad I am not Julian Dunn though I have similar opinions as him. If people still think it is all marketing, it is really up to them.
AnalogSteph
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Hmmm... maybe they are both using the bloody apodizing filter then, ripple spec +/-0.075 dB. FAIL.
Both DACs could do much better in this regard - the ES9038Q2M has a whole slew of attractive filter options to offer, from a traditional linear phase fast roll-off (+/-0.002 dB, 120 dB ultimate) over minimum phase fast roll-off (+/-0.005 dB, 100 dB, pre-echo no concern but group delay deviation possibly is) to brickwall (+/-0.015 dB, 100 dB starting at 0.5fs already).
This should be brought up in the D10s and Tone Board threads, as a firmware update may be feasible.
CS4382 (single speed) digital filter ripple should be about +/-0.008 dB according to datasheet graphs, with a 90 dB ultimate, so that's not even anything super-duper special.
Both DACs could do much better in this regard - the ES9038Q2M has a whole slew of attractive filter options to offer, from a traditional linear phase fast roll-off (+/-0.002 dB, 120 dB ultimate) over minimum phase fast roll-off (+/-0.005 dB, 100 dB, pre-echo no concern but group delay deviation possibly is) to brickwall (+/-0.015 dB, 100 dB starting at 0.5fs already).
This should be brought up in the D10s and Tone Board threads, as a firmware update may be feasible.
CS4382 (single speed) digital filter ripple should be about +/-0.008 dB according to datasheet graphs, with a 90 dB ultimate, so that's not even anything super-duper special.
Yes. Filter plots for CS4272/4392/4382 are pretty much the same, as well as the more aggressive noise shaping.
Xtreme Gamer Fatal1ty Professional (what a verbose name
) is basically identical to XtremeMusic, but XtremeMusic only has 2MB RAM while the other one has 64MB, plus a 5.25" front panel. My plot is pretty similar to what RAA showed, even the idle tones at 30 and 36kHz.
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