Ha! Sorry that was a typo. I meant the DF64v (variable) v2/gen 2 that's just been released.
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Curious about the Mazzer Philos...I spent several hours watching a bunch of faces on YT discussing the DF grinders, along with Eureka and the Niche (oh, and the timemore sculptor, too)... those were where I have been leaning. End of the day it really seems that they all have their pros and cons, and none of them are real deal breakers.
For me, I'm probably buying a DF soon. Im leaning strongly to the 83V, though the 64v is still in consideration.
One of the things I got from watching all those faces on YT is that the newer stock burrs on the DF grinders are pretty good. Unless you are really looking for something specific, it seemed to come down to minutiae. I'm espresso only, and in that regard what I gathered about the SSP Multipurpose burr was that it might not be great for the type of Espresso I like, though it isn't bad for it either. One of the reviewers said he preferred the stock espresso burr to the SSP MP, even, and iirc said that there was very little difference to the SSP HU option.
Ultimately, this gave me confidence that I could run with the stock burrs for a while and probably for the life of the machine. Maybe someday I"ll ask "what if" but when it comes down to it, the DFs are pretty much checking every box I can think of wanting in my next grinder, including ease of opening the grind chamber and cleaning.
YMMV, of course.
Also they do offer 30 days for refund, minus shipping, assuming you clean it up and ship it back with all its original packaging. *shrugs
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Mazzer Philos is a premium light commercial single dose grinder designed to help you get the most out of your coffee. Its elegant and compact design, accurate machining, and sustainable materials make it the ideal choice for demanding baristas looking for quality in small spaces. It is suitable...
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Similar thoughts on burr set options. I want thick and syrupy, f!@# clarity!
Interesting. Thanks for posting that.Curious about the Mazzer Philos...
Philos
Mazzer Philos is a premium light commercial single dose grinder designed to help you get the most out of your coffee. Its elegant and compact design, accurate machining, and sustainable materials make it the ideal choice for demanding baristas looking for quality in small spaces. It is suitable...
Similar thoughts on burr set options. I want thick and syrupy, f!@# clarity!
Would be great if it were available now, but I don’t know that I want to spend a grand on something I could get for a lot less in some other manufacturer.
Regardless, Mazzer is super respectable and I would expect you should have near lifetime support unless the machine doesn’t sell and they take it off the market at some point. *shrugs
Beyond all that… espresso shots you can chew!
I may be coming to the same conclusion as you, the DF gives you a beefy motor and big burrs for a fraction of the cost of several more 'luxury' examples. Might pull the trigger soon on the DF83 v3. Have you made a decision yet?Interesting. Thanks for posting that.
Would be great if it were available now, but I don’t know that I want to spend a grand on something I could get for a lot less in some other manufacturer.
Regardless, Mazzer is super respectable and I would expect you should have near lifetime support unless the machine doesn’t sell and they take it off the market at some point. *shrugs
Beyond all that… espresso shots you can chew!
Is the plasma generator the only difference between the V1 and V2? There's a discount on the V1 right now that's making it tempting. On the other hand, I live in a very dry location so the plasma generator would be helpful assuming it works.
I'm pretty set on the DF83V(ariable).
I like the fact I will be able to dose direct into my portafilter. The upright models don't make me comfortable that I will have room to move the PF around for even distribution; something I deal with on the Lelit Fred I use. I really got used to the doserless Mazzers we had in the Cafe with that enormous cone: that thing gave you a lot of room to play with when dosing the PF and ability to get good even distribution.
Otherwise I might look at the uprights with a little more interest. (As I mentioned before, I am also drawn to the Brushless Motor. Reviewers have shown that it is reasonably quiet until the Beans hit the Burrs.)
At this point I think I'm just waiting to see if they drop prices for BF/holiday sales. Considering where they come from, I definitely want to act before any potential ramifications of petty trade war protectionism might affect affordability.
As best I can tell, they made a lot of minor changes to many of the early models, not just adding the Plasma Generator. Things like the declumper, where the power button is, doing away with the vinyl wrap, etc.
I think this is why they had so many quick reiterations/redesigns. They got feedback about things that folk weren't liking, embraced and ran with it. (Unlike Apple and the charge port on the Mouse!) Most folk seem to think that the DF83V benefitted from their other early lessons as it doesn't seem to have any of the quirks of other early models, for example. Perhaps the only thing I identified that I wish they had included in the DF83V is that they went back to coil springs instead of the wave spring between the Burr Assemblies, though I haven't seen anybody actually call that out as being problematic.
Videos all over YouTube go into the differences but the plasma generator, declumper and removable shoot are the only things that come to mind. But these are exactly the things that kept me from getting gen 1. As mentioned, they listen to feedback, which is why I'm waiting for the next gen of the 83v.
The plasma generator is gold. I hate static and it works to prevent it. Just have to keep the prongs in the shoot clean which is a job every 2 months or so.
Have you seen any critical comments that would lead to some modifications, and what were they? Truly curious as I WTB.
As a general rule, going to YouTube for information is my last resort. Thanks for the info.
OMFG! YES!!!
I posted before I deep dove into watching the heads on YT talk about these grinders. Pretty painful, but I'm glad I spent the time. I do feel a lot more comfortable with my choice, knowing that in the end ALL of the grinders pretty much came with some pros and cons. None was a clear winner over another. Moreover, of the Single Dose variety, I discovered, too, that the Eureka option wasn't necessarily as good as some of its more expensive cousins.
Anyway.
All of this is to say that in some things, a review or 10 can be a little helpful in sorting through the cr@p and not running up a huge bill shipping 3-5 grinders to audition and shipping back.
I'd prefer to wait for your review on the grinder you end up getting rather than slog through a bunch of YouTube videos that have exceedingly low S/N.
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I’m so old I remember my parents talking about chicory being all that was available during the war. It was still on the grocery shelves.
Edit: it was Luzianne, and it’s still there.
I'm being picky as I have 64mm grinders and really like the look of the Zerno Z1. I'm just looking for improvements in tolerance, alignment and perhaps pre-breaking, none of which matters that much so the df83v is a good buy in gen 1. But yeah, Lance lol:Have you seen any critical comments135 that would lead to some modifications, and what were they? Truly curious as I WTB.
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I love the looks of the Zerno. It'd probably be the Zerno vs. Lagom P64 if I were willing to part with the cash. Trying to keep my priorities in focus, thick syrupy shots with flexibility around burrs should I get curious.
Any findings on tolerance/alignment for the current gen DF83? Might jump on the waitlist for the v3... waiting to pull the trigger.
Just various posts on Reddit and such. Some say alignment is good while one person had to add 4 pieces of foil shim. I did the marker test on my DF64 gen 2 when I got it with SSP HU burrs. I've since changed to the DLC and back to HU without checking alignment again but will have to do that at some stage. At the end of the day they're a good value option with variable quality. Apparently MiiCoffee has a good return policy for them, unlike df64coffee (so I've heard).
Appreciate it
For got to include the fact that, out of the box, the DF64 gen 2 alignment was great.
This is audiophile stuff:
www.theguardian.com
Tim Hayward on his pursuit of the perfect home espresso
Determined to make perfect espressos at home, Tim Hayward squandered absurd amounts of time and money on gadgetry most of us have never heard of, only to produce cup after cup of average coffee
www.theguardian.com
That article is old AF.This is audiophile stuff:
Tim Hayward on his pursuit of the perfect home espresso
Determined to make perfect espressos at home, Tim Hayward squandered absurd amounts of time and money on gadgetry most of us have never heard of, only to produce cup after cup of average coffee
Audiophile? Nah. We're not out here spending 20k on water purifiers. Home espresso has come a long way in even just the past 5 years, yet understandably is still far too tedious for most.