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Classic Audio by Michael Fidler

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What's your experience with this brand of MM/MC preamps? I have a couple of tables.

Lenco L78 with an AT120E (MM)
Thorens TD 125 with a Sumiko Olympia (MM)

Acceptable SNR/Distortion, no serious power supply artifacts, high headroom at all frequencies are my preferences. It doesn't have to have the highest SINAD, this medium has severe shortages anyways..

What's another slam dunk phono for under $150 ? Schiit or Pluto or Emotiva ?

My preamp/ADC/DAC is an RME ADI-2 Pro FS. I don't want to go through the hassle of selling this ADI and buying the ADI 2x4 which has a phono preamp. Also, I am not sure about the phono stage headroom of the 2x4.
 
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Thank you, I saw that review. I have to clarify that I live in the states and the unit is made in the UK and shipped from there. I am concerned about tariffs, support, reliability, shipping time etc.
 
I looked at the measurements and the HF headroom was not impressive. I was just looking at the SMSL PH1 and that seems impressive despite the slight irregularities in the FR.

Edit: I am under the assumption that pops and cracks have HF components beyond 15khz also, please correct me if I am wrong.

Actually, I am wrong w.r.t the HF headroom of Mani 2 vs SMSL. I was comparing with Mani 1.
 
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What's wrong with a Mani 2 in your locale?

The Spartans are beautifully hand made, but getting one over to you and paying duties and so on, will cost a heck of a lot I suspect - sadly...
In fact, the duty is paid on my end for US orders, so easy life there... The real issue at the moment is that I can't use a signed-for courier or via USPS as Royal Mail is shrinking the range of services on my end.

Chances of getting an LOMC product are slim at the moment: I deliberately limit the builds on these.
 
In fact, the duty is paid on my end for US orders, so easy life there... The real issue at the moment is that I can't use a signed-for courier or via USPS as Royal Mail is shrinking the range of services on my end.

Chances of getting an LOMC product are slim at the moment: I deliberately limit the builds on these.
I don't need signed service. Is it alright if I contact you ? I want to get your product and support you.

I purchased something cheap for the meantime but I would like a well engineered product.
 
What's your experience with this brand of MM/MC preamps? I have a couple of tables.

Lenco L78 with an AT120E (MM)
Thorens TD 125 with a Sumiko Olympia (MM)

Acceptable SNR/Distortion, no serious power supply artifacts, high headroom at all frequencies are my preferences. It doesn't have to have the highest SINAD, this medium has severe shortages anyways..

What's another slam dunk phono for under $150 ? Schiit or Pluto or Emotiva ?
Cambridge Audio Solo?
 
I have the MC PRO. Excellent product. Runs balanced into my McIntosh stack. I especially like the fact that there's a separate set of RCA outputs which I occasionally use with a small ADC to digitize albums.

Communication was excellent and shipping was fast at about a week. Highly recommended.
 
Chances of getting an LOMC product are slim at the moment: I deliberately limit the builds on these
I've read and appreciated the analysis of the well-documented shortcomings of LOMC cartridges here. Is there anything to add to help customers understand the reasons why you are limiting builds of these products?
 
I don't need signed service. Is it alright if I contact you ? I want to get your product and support you.
Sure, feel free. I may not have anything to send to the US for a while in this case on account of waiting for metal parts to arrive for the Spartan 12, which will be very good indeed, but may face a few delays here and there.

I've read and appreciated the analysis of the well-documented shortcomings of LOMC cartridges here. Is there anything to add to help customers understand the reasons why you are limiting builds of these products?
I have quite strong views about this, so asked Chat GPT to make a more tactful version my original 550-word response while keeping the original points intact.

Censored Version:

Overproduce and your clients choose you. Underproduce and you choose your clients.
The LOMC market contains a number of ill-conceived ideas and setups (hence the reason the LO PRO is still very limited, despite the MC PRO being discontinued in mid-2025), and managing sales and support can take a substantial amount of time if care is not taken with whom products are offered. Once an LOMC product reaches the broader audience through word-of-mouth or forum discussions, the attention and queries can become very demanding.

The current market approach for LOMC often involves setting a high price to account for a significant support burden, which can arise from misunderstandings about cartridge setup and expectations. This is not a business model that aligns with how I wish to allocate my time. Many other companies already follow that model.

Going forward, descriptions for LOMC products will remain very concise and technical, possibly without press releases to conventional media outlets. It remains an interesting engineering challenge, where careful design can produce performance well above typical market offerings. However, the segment of users able to fully benefit from this is relatively small. The goal is to produce competitive products for users who have a clear understanding of what they need, who know how to set up their turntable and cartridge properly, who understand the product’s capabilities and limitations, and who do not rely on exaggerated marketing claims.

It is preferable to decline inquiries from those unlikely to benefit from the product at an early stage. This helps maintain focus and efficiency for both parties. Many experienced users will understand the challenge of balancing support and product availability in a niche market.

That said, LOMC cartridges can still perform very well in specific cases. For example, for cartridges without a high-output equivalent, I personally use the AT-OC9XML in my own setup and find it highly satisfactory.
 
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Just picked up an SMSL PH1 for $70 one Amazon with same day delivery. Oddly, it has a headphone amp. Perhaps a low cut filter could've been a better tack on?

Nevertheless, I can play with the TTs now!
 
Sure, feel free. I may not have anything to send to the US for a while in this case on account of waiting for metal parts to arrive for the Spartan 12, which will be very good indeed, but may face a few delays here and there.


I have quite strong views about this, so asked Chat GPT to make a more tactful version my original 550-word response while keeping the original points intact.

Censored Version:

Overproduce and your clients choose you. Underproduce and you choose your clients.
The LOMC market contains a number of ill-conceived ideas and setups (hence the reason the LO PRO is still very limited, despite the MC PRO being discontinued in mid-2025), and managing sales and support can take a substantial amount of time if care is not taken with whom products are offered. Once an LOMC product reaches the broader audience through word-of-mouth or forum discussions, the attention and queries can become very demanding.

The current market approach for LOMC often involves setting a high price to account for a significant support burden, which can arise from misunderstandings about cartridge setup and expectations. This is not a business model that aligns with how I wish to allocate my time. Many other companies already follow that model.

Going forward, descriptions for LOMC products will remain very concise and technical, possibly without press releases to conventional media outlets. It remains an interesting engineering challenge, where careful design can produce performance well above typical market offerings. However, the segment of users able to fully benefit from this is relatively small. The goal is to produce competitive products for users who have a clear understanding of what they need, who know how to set up their turntable and cartridge properly, who understand the product’s capabilities and limitations, and who do not rely on exaggerated marketing claims.

It is preferable to decline inquiries from those unlikely to benefit from the product at an early stage. This helps maintain focus and efficiency for both parties. Many experienced users will understand the challenge of balancing support and product availability in a niche market.

That said, LOMC cartridges can still perform very well in specific cases. For example, for cartridges without a high-output equivalent, I personally use the AT-OC9XML in my own setup and find it highly satisfactory.
Thanks for your reply. My takeaway is that in your experience, LOMC users make PITA customers..what say you, Chat GPT?
 
Thanks for your reply. My takeaway is that in your experience, LOMC users make PITA customers..what say you, Chat GPT?
A measurement-driven, specification-led product is best suited to users who prioritise objective performance and defined operating conditions. That represents a smaller segment of the wider LOMC market.

Products that spread primarily through secondary references can accumulate expectations that exceed their intended scope. In those cases, limiting availability protects both the user experience and the engineering focus of the company.
 
A measurement-driven, specification-led product is best suited to users who prioritise objective performance and defined operating conditions. That represents a smaller segment of the wider LOMC market.

Products that spread primarily through secondary references can accumulate expectations that exceed their intended scope. In those cases, limiting availability protects both the user experience and the engineering focus of the company.
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I use RME 2/4 - it has a load of headroom - but there is a lot to be said for a separate phono pre amp into an RME ADI 2 as well - Classic Audio phono stage looks a great option - useful readily accessible controls instead of going through the menu maze of the RME for mono for example.

Another very good option especially in the USA is Waxwing which you can plug into RME through optical or coax. I use this for noisy 45s and 78s as it makes a very audible difference. The level of control in playback is really powerful when you combine it with RME.
 
I'm reminded of the Ear Piercing parlour that advertised...While You Wait....

I suppose the others asked you to leave the ears and come back later...

S.
 
Reading the OP again, I also have an AT120E pickup (and a UK spec 'GL' 78 in storage) with very low hours on it and what would trouble me a bit is the rather large ~10kHz peak in its response with standard cable capacitance loading (I've no idea on the capacitance of the tonearm internal wires which are all but inaccessible without damage, let alone the external ones to the amp). The peak has quite a benign subjective effect rather than a vicious 'sting' as the Goldring 10** series can have, but it may still do things with a cheaper phono stage with poor hf overload margins...

Just a thought...

I'm also interested how the 'muscular' and slightly 'restrained' tones of the established Sumiko Pearl have developed into the new fancy-looking models above it with more sophisticated tips? ;)
 
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