Class D Audio GAN FET Amps

[ChefBrunch]

if it works it work.

Bypassing the stock input gain stage for their own changes the sound. look at other Ncore builds then look at the TEAC. its not the same. not even close.

 

[RexrothPigeon]

Do you have any objective evidence that any differences that might result (noise, distortion, frequency response) are at a level that is actually audible? Because at the moment you are just sounding like every other audiophile, deluded by a fancy marketing story.

Yeah, it's easy to say "I believe in my ears, not measurements," but unless you're doing controlled, blind listening tests, @ChefBrunch, you're not using your ears at all--sighted listening tests bypass ears and go straight to eyes (and preconceptions/biases).

 

[ChefBrunch]

Do you have any objective evidence that any differences that might result (noise, distortion, frequency response) are at a level that is actually audible? Because at the moment you are just sounding like every other audiophile, deluded by a fancy marketing story.

and being a measurements nerd you sound like a pro audio technician that thinks flat numbers running test tones means something sounds good playing music in your living space.

the audible differences are minimal , but if you have speakers and sources that can reveal those details than its subjectively worth it.....I've tried plenty of amps with multiple pairs of speakers....The TEAC sounds obviously better to me....by a large margin, it makes everything I hook up to it better. ....by the numbers it should not be so , but it is...

 

[antcollinet]

and being a measurements nerd you sound like a pro audio technician that thinks flat numbers running test tones means something sounds good playing music in your living space.

the audible differences are minimal , but if you have speakers and sources that can reveal those details than its subjectively worth it.....I've tried plenty of amps with multiple pairs of speakers....The TEAC sounds obviously better to me....by a large margin, it makes everything I hook up to it better. ....by the numbers it should not be so , but it is...

Oh, that's it: my system isn't revealing enough. Amazing. I've never heard of that possibility before.

I asked for objective evidence - it appears you have none. Just the usual "but I can heeear it" completely discounting the perceptive biases you - and every other human being on the planet - is subject to.

I think you might be lost. AMR (audio magic review) is over that way -->

 

[ChefBrunch]

Oh, that's it: my system isn't revealing enough. Amazing. I've never heard of that possibility before.

I asked for objective evidence - it appears you have none. Just the usual "but I can heeear it" completely discounting the perceptive biases you - and every other human being on the planet - is subject to.

I think you might be lost. AMR (audio magic review) is over that way -->

I would gladly join an Audio Magic Forum......that's where audiophiles go after they learn measurements don't mean squat.

CD's beat vinyl 95% of the time, but that 5% that Vinyl wins is pure audio MAGIC!!!

 

[Svend P]

and being a measurements nerd you sound like a pro audio technician that thinks flat numbers running test tones means something sounds good playing music in your living space.

the audible differences are minimal , but if you have speakers and sources that can reveal those details than its subjectively worth it.....I've tried plenty of amps with multiple pairs of speakers....The TEAC sounds obviously better to me....by a large margin, it makes everything I hook up to it better. ....by the numbers it should not be so , but it is...

You could be a golden eared audiophile. We haven't had one of those in a while

Message to golden-eared audiophiles posting at ASR for the first time...

Hello friend. Hey, listen...we know how it is. Believe me, most of us have been there too. You've spent years toiling in the muck of audiophilia. You read ALL the reviews. You watched ALL the youtube videos. You visited ALL the other forums where everything always makes a difference. You...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[antcollinet]

that's where audiophiles go after they learn measurements don't mean squat.

So you are, literally, just here to troll then?

 

[ChefBrunch]

So you are, literally, just here to troll then?

Measurements have been surpassed for decades beyond perception.

What's left?

I've been down that rabbit hole of Measurements chasing....it does not lead to better sound IMO.

Measurements help, but it's not the glory hole of audio.

 

[Doodski]

So you are, literally, just here to troll then?

I think the matters are well defined here.
All spin and fiction.

Quotes.>>>

I would gladly join an Audio Magic Forum......that's where audiophiles go after they learn measurements don't mean squat.

CD's beat vinyl 95% of the time, but that 5% that Vinyl wins is pure audio MAGIC!!!

I've tried plenty of amps with multiple pairs of speakers....The TEAC sounds obviously better to me....by a large margin, it makes everything I hook up to it better. ....by the numbers it should not be so , but it is... Not just off the shelf, fully balanced circuits dual mono and a lot of engineering on the power supply and special tuned Ncore modules.
A hint of smooth warmth with extreme detail and dynamics. Musical but touching the analytical side. It's not off the shelf, TEAC has them specially tuned and made for them...

Just a touch less sterile than off the shelf ncore modules....ive heard a few other Ncores and purifi, I like the TEAC implementation best. It's a little more full....sort of like classic denon sound with nice upper midbass.

The implementation makes a HUGE difference along with power supply. The modules has less to do with it....but Ncore is a solid performer. Lots of builders have gone back to it over better measurement newer modules....but measurements aren't everything.

 

[Buckeye Amps]

if it works it work.

Bypassing the stock input gain stage for their own changes the sound. look at other Ncore builds then look at the TEAC. its not the same. not even close.

How does TEAC change the sound? Not asking what you think you hear, but how they are actually changing it.

 

[Buckeye Amps]

Measurements have been surpassed for decades beyond perception.

What's left?

There is actually really nothing left. Sound/performance has been solved in terms of amplifiers. Now it is an engineering exercise in measurable perfection.

Maybe that is why the traditional audiophile hates objective data: it bulldozes the club house they thought was very exclusive and ruins the notion that they were a "special" hobbyist. Good riddance.

 

[Doodski]

Measurements have been surpassed for decades beyond perception.

What's left?

I've been down that rabbit hole of Measurements chasing....it does not lead to better sound IMO.

Measurements help, but it's not the glory hole of audio.

See? All the fiction, spin and tossing slag at those you comment with results in them wandering off to chat with nice people. Can you see that or won't you see that? Which one?

 

[Mnyb]

There is actually really nothing left. Sound/performance has been solved in terms of amplifiers. Now it is an engineering exercise in measurable perfection.

Maybe that is why the traditional audiophile hates objective data: it bulldozes the club house they thought was very exclusive and ruins the notion that they were a "special" hobbyist. Good riddance.

Owning and buying expensive audio equipment for decades is actually not expertise in audio engineering the only tech hobby for the technical illiterate ?

 

[amirm]

Measurements help, but it's not the glory hole of audio.

The glory hole is understanding how your audio gear works and knowledge of our hearing. That is what we explain day in and day out. Measurements are proof points of those. Don't work hard to confuse yourself about audio truth. It is not magical, nor unkown.

 

[0bs3rv3r]

There is actually really nothing left. Sound/performance has been solved in terms of amplifiers. Now it is an engineering exercise in measurable perfection.

Maybe that is why the traditional audiophile hates objective data: it bulldozes the club house they thought was very exclusive and ruins the notion that they were a "special" hobbyist.

It is really reaching a crisis point for the audiophile. The price level at which the sound gets to the point where we can't hear the difference, is reaching ridiculously low levels. Indeed is no longer an exclusive club where you need serious money to belong.

 

[ChefBrunch]

The glory hole is understanding how your audio gear works and knowledge of our hearing. That is what we explain day in and day out. Measurements are proof points of those. Don't work hard to confuse yourself about audio truth. It is not magical, nor unkown.

Lol

Sure everything sounds the same lol.

 

[Buckeye Amps]

Lol

Sure everything sounds the same lol.

No one said that, either. Maybe you'd be better off venting in the Audiogon forums. Tell them Buckeye sent you. They hate me there for reasons I referenced above.

 

[MoreWatts]

You've posted over 4000 times at the Steve Hoffman Forums.

Any particular reason you've decided to bother us? You knew what ASR was about before you came here.

 

[ChefBrunch]

You've posted over 4000 times at the Steve Hoffman Forums.

Any particular reason you've decided to bother us? You knew what ASR was about before you came here.

Like a true liberal.

I'm bothering you here? Seriously? Just lol

You don't have to post in my threads?

Take a good look in the mirror and really think who is trolling who?

 

[Buckeye Amps]

Like a true liberal.

I'm bothering you here? Seriously? Just lol

You don't have to post in my threads?

Take a good look in the mirror and really think who is trolling who?

.....what?