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Class A/AB amplifier recommendations

I find it more pleasant when I play my guitar on a tube amp. I like the way it sounds. Basically everything I listen to is guitar dominant. If it wasn't recorded on tubes and I'm to lazy to learn it myself why is listening to it on a tube amp wrong. I like it. Sounds old fashioned without a ton of high order harmonics.
I can see tubes for certain production uses with guitars, but not reproduction. Preference isn't necessarily reference....
 
I have a few questions. Which SNR should I focus, at low power 1w SPL, or full power rated SNR? Good amps have steady SNR all the way across the power range, cheap ones have low SNR at low power.
Should I conclude low power is low dB, hence -45dB noise is okay, since below SPL, or not?
Also, Class D amps have high distortion noise at high dB. Is it better to get a Class D low SNR @ rated power amplifier, or cheap AB amplifier with low SNR @ low power like 1w SPL, but good @full rated power SNR?
We have a lack of good Class D amps. Only one Buckeye 252 available. Should I get it, or a beefy AB amplifier, can anybody provide pointers? Even Yamaha R-S202 looks good at this point. I'm really wondering what I'm missing out.
 
I have a few questions. Which SNR should I focus, at low power 1w SPL, or full power rated SNR? Good amps have steady SNR all the way across the power range, cheap ones have low SNR at low power.
Should I conclude low power is low dB, hence -45dB noise is okay, since below SPL, or not?
Also, Class D amps have high distortion noise at high dB. Is it better to get a Class D low SNR @ rated power amplifier, or cheap AB amplifier with low SNR @ low power like 1w SPL, but good @full rated power SNR?
We have a lack of good Class D amps. Only one Buckeye 252 available. Should I get it, or a beefy AB amplifier, can anybody provide pointers? Even Yamaha R-S202 looks good at this point. I'm really wondering what I'm missing out.
Your premise is incorrect. There are LOTS of excellent Class D amps. And they don’t behave like you’ve claimed.

As to SNR … if you listen at full power, then SNR at full power would be applicable. Since almost no one does, SNR at lower power levels is more useful.
 
I still don't know how much power I need. KEF Q Concerto Meta runs with anything 15-180w and I cannot find any volume metrics, but I think 100 watt (ratio of 15 to 180 somewhat thereabouts) gains approximately 20 dB?
 
I still don't know how much power I need. KEF Q Concerto Meta runs with anything 15-180w and I cannot find any volume metrics, but I think 100 watt (ratio of 15 to 180 somewhat thereabouts) gains approximately 20 dB?
From the data I saw, the KEF Q Concerto Meta speakers are relatively inefficient at about 85dB SPL @1 watt @1m. They peter out around 50 Hz so that they would really benefit from being paired with a subwoofer.

How loud do you like listening at? How far away from the speakers is your listening position? Are the speakers located in a corner (so that they benefit from room loading)? The answers to those questions can help to determine how much power you’ll want to drive the speakers.
 
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From the data I saw, the KEF Q Concerto Meta speakers are relatively inefficient at about 85dB SPL/1 watt. They peter out around 50 Hz so that they would really benefit from being paired with a subwoofer.

How loud do you like listening at? How far away from the speakers is your listening position? Are the speakers located in a corner (so that they benefit from room loading)? The answers to those questions can help to determine how much power you’ll want to drive the speakers.
Thank you very much. I won't bother you any further.
I think I understand the power relationship, the SPL max provided from your link is somewhere around 100w value when I calculate it on this [link], but I lack basic understanding how much SPL I really need.
It says on the site 100 watts increases SPL by +20dB and stereo speakers by +3dB when I pick 1 meter, 85dB SPL, 2 speakers and away from the wall, so 180w vendor specification equates to 100w on the site.
I still don't know if I need 100 watts, or 180 watts rms power for 98.3 dB max when I pick 3 meter listening distance. Good thing it only drops to 88.3dB if I lower power by 10 times. 10-18watts rms power seems plenty loud to me @88dB. Any regular old amp should be able to drive 10-18 watts.
 
I am a huge fan of the Topping B200 and with the APOS promo sales or refurbished options I think $1000 is possible. My wife originally purchased Topping B100 amps for my birthday because the B200 was unavailable. I liked the B100 a lot, but wanted the B200 for the extra margin in the design. I received APOS promo's and bought a pair of B200 amps a few months later. All new and around $1000. I have never regretted that decision. I later purchased a Topping PA5 II class D amp, and as wonderful as it is the B200/B100 are my preference. All the best on your journey.
 
Thank you very much. I won't bother you any further.
I think I understand the power relationship, the SPL max provided from your link is somewhere around 100w value when I calculate it on this [link], but I lack basic understanding how much SPL I really need.
It says on the site 100 watts increases SPL by +20dB and stereo speakers by +3dB when I pick 1 meter, 85dB SPL, 2 speakers and away from the wall, so 180w vendor specification equates to 100w on the site.
I still don't know if I need 100 watts, or 180 watts rms power for 98.3 dB max when I pick 3 meter listening distance. Good thing it only drops to 88.3dB if I lower power by 10 times. 10-18watts rms power seems plenty loud to me @88dB. Any regular old amp should be able to drive 10-18 watts.
Hi there. I am relatively new to this hobby but I'll do my best to fill you in.

The KEF Q Concerto Meta is rated for 85 dB/2.83 V/m. At 4 ohms, this is 2 Watts. P=V^2/R, = 2.83^2/4 = 2 Watts. This is double the power of a normal sensitivity, in decibels (since it is logarithmic) this doubling equates to 3 dB. So you must subtract 3 dB to convert to W/m. So the sensitivity is actually 82 dB/W/m.

Your question is really about how to size an amp for a speaker. This is a really complicated topic!

The speakers max SPL is 108 dB (at 1 m). To get a 26 dB gain from the amp, you need 400 W. That power will play at that SPL. This does not mean that if you plan on playing your speakers at 108 dB (you shouldn't), that 400 W would be "adequately sized". That also doesn't mean that 400 W is adequately sized for 70dB at 1m. That's because these measures are for a continuous SPL, not a changing SPL like in normal listening.

KEF is saying that when you play music if any dynamic reaches an SPL/1m exceeding 108 dB, it may cause damage to the speaker. If you're reasonably sensible with your volume control I doubt you'd ever hit that.

Here's the catch, when evaluating an A/B amp. As you approach maximum power or current output, almost everything about the amp (in general) will degrade in performance. Response linearity, distortion, etc. So for the amp to perform best, it should be at an average power of significantly less than the minimum required for the desired SPL. This is called "headroom". Maybe 25 dB of headroom would provide peak performance. The specific headroom required is amp/speaker specific (e.g. tolerance of linearity with changes in temperature and power output).

A good listening position is like <10 feet probably (depends on speaker placement and room dimensions). SPL something like 65 dB, so a 100 W RMS would be plenty headroom. However, I will mention sizing an amp for a speaker isn't just about SPL. Current output, damping factor are also relevant. These must be sized to the characteristics of the speaker: Q and impedance response:

https://ca.kef.com/blogs/news/damping-factor-explained

Personally, I also think amp slew rate is something to pay attention to (analogous to speaker instantaneous compression response). In general though the most modern manufacturers probably don't have "lobsided" amps I would think though.

I know this doesn't exactly give you a direct answer, but hopefully it helps you to create a framework for sizing an amp.

Cheers,
lkh
 
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