Chinese Car A/V systems

[Cincyret]

I've read that Chinese car makers are installing 'hi end' A/V systems in their cars. Has anyone experienced any of these? Comments?

 

[WideEyedToad]

Anything compared to my American vehicles are high end!

 

[Somafunk]

I have a 2024 MG HS Trophy, the 4 speaker audio system/touchscreen head unit with apple play/android is the worst sounding piece of shit I’ve ever heard, but I guess I should expect that in such a cheap n’ shite car.

It makes noise, that’s about the best review I could give, it’s fine for listening to talk radio or podcasts, don’t attempt to listen to any bass heavy electronic music as the speakers regurgitate utter nonsense.

 

[Ovovo]

I have a 2024 MG HS Trophy, the 4 speaker audio system/touchscreen head unit with apple play/android is the worst sounding piece of shit I’ve ever heard, but I guess I should expect that in such a cheap n’ shite car.

It makes noise, that’s about the best review I could give, it’s fine for listening to talk radio or podcasts, don’t attempt to listen to any bass heavy electronic music as the speakers regurgitate utter nonsense.

I think OP is referring to the lasted models of Haval, BYD and other brands.

 

[FreakyKiwi]

I think OP is referring to the lasted models of Haval, BYD and other brands.

MG is a Chinese car brand so I think the comments are valid.

I do find the badge baiting offensive, but there is this beauty which does feature Bose audio.

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[Vacceo]

Technically Lotus is now a Chinese brand, as they are part of Geely along with Polestar. Lotus packs a KEF system and I´m super curious about its performance.

 

[FreakyKiwi]

Technically Lotus is now a Chinese brand

It won't be long until VW and Mercedes are Chinese owned too if their fortunes don't change.
As I understand this was caused by Europe mandating the switch to electric vehicles and then backing down after the manufacturers invested tens of billions in developing cars no-one wants.
Let's not even talk about Jaguar who are Indian owned now anyway.

 

[boXem]

then backing down

What?

 

[FreakyKiwi]

What?

If I'm not mistaken the original deadlines and targets have been extended with VW having already invested heavily with hopes of EV sales being the future after the Dieselgate scandal and in line with government mandates.

Certainly in my country (not in Europe FWIW) , and many others, all financial EV incentives have been scrapped and the EV market has tanked with buyers now needing to pay full price along with ongoing road taxes.

Maybe VW and other manufactures who have done this will survive but this documentary paints a grim picture for VW.

 

[sergeauckland]

Strange as to the view of what is a British or American or Chinese car these days. Fords and Vauxhalls (GM) have been 'British' for ever in public consciousness even if they have always been American owned. One the other hand, Nissan, Datsun and Honda are Japanese even if their cars have been manufactured in the UK for years.

More recently Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Jaguar and Lotus have been foreign-owned although clearly perceived as British given their UK factories.

Then there's Chrysler, one of the American Big Four, that's now French owned (Stellantis)

So what constitutes a XXXX car? Where it's made, where it's owned, or public consciousness?

S.

 

[FreakyKiwi]

So what constitutes a XXXX car? Where it's made, where it's owned, or public consciousness?

A very good point, with no clear answer.

MG is certainly a Chinese brand in my mind as they simply bought the name and stuck a badge on some entirely new crap cars.

Jaguar Land Rover I still think as British as they have retained the identity after being acquired by Tata, at least until the latest Jaguar branding exercise.

The same would apply to some other acquired brands like Vauxhall, Opel. Saab, and Holden by GM who retained their national identity and local models (ignoring the rebadged Daewoo shite used to pad out the fleets) and had contentious relationships with GM US who eventually screwed them over.

Sorry. I've gotten us well off topic which was high end AV systems in Chinese cars.

I have never driven or ridden in a Chinese car so have no opinion here.

 

[boXem]

If I'm not mistaken the original deadlines and targets have been extended with VW having already invested heavily with hopes of EV sales being the future after the Dieselgate scandal and in line with government mandates.

Deadlines have been the same since the beginning. All EU manufacturers have heavily invested in EVs, but they also have heavily increased their prices after COVID. Now they face 2 issues:
- less and less people can afford a new car
- people do not want EVs, which is an issue when your only investments were EVs

Then there's Chrysler, one of the American Big Four, that's now French owned (Stellantis)

The holding having the most shares in Stellantis is Italian. The board is 50-50 French and Italian (from memory). The president of Stellantis is Italian. The CEO of Stellantis is Italian. That they use crappy ex-PSA - so Fench - engines in EU is also a fact.

So what constitutes a XXXX car? Where it's made, where it's owned, or public consciousness?

Manufacturers would like public consciousness. Imho we consumers should wonder where it was engineered and built.

 

[Mnyb]

- less and less people can afford a new car

This ! EV are expensive ,but in general among my friends they sure want one if they could afford one . I'm happy with my company EV .

Second hand prices are very very sketchy for almost any car diesel petrol or ev as ambiguity and lack of trust in the changing market are common .
This is probably not a mystery when you have any kind of paradigm change or major technological change .
And it's actually made worse by naysayers and "EV sceptics" spreading FUD

But it makes everyone cautious about betting their own money and just keeping the old car another year and a "wait and see" tactic which probably is good on an individual level but unfortunate for the common good.

 

[FreakyKiwi]

But it makes everyone cautious about betting their own money and just keeping the old car another year and a "wait and see" tactic which probably is good on an individual level but unfortunate for the common good.

I think there's a good argument that keeping an old car is positive for the environment, if that's your common good argument for EVs, vs seeing a car scrapped in order to put a new one on the road.

I'm happily in the EV sceptics camp FWIW.
I do see the advantages but also the risk as great technological advancement is likely leading to continued fierce depreciation offsetting any financial gains, assuming there is any to be had depending on local electricity costs.

Until EVs stack up financially, in the absence of Government mandates and incentives, they will continue to be a tough sell to the average buyer.

Unfortunately for the European car manufacturers, Chinese EVs stack up financially better than their models do, however they are managing to produce reportedly good cars for a much lower price (Government subsidies, human right violations?)

 

[Mnyb]

I think there's a good argument that keeping an old car is positive for the environment, if that's your common good argument for EVs, vs seeing a car scrapped in order to put a new one on the road.

I'm happily in the EV sceptics camp FWIW.
I do see the advantages but also the risk as great technological advancement is likely leading to continued fierce depreciation offsetting any financial gains, assuming there is any to be had depending on local electricity costs.

Until EVs stack up financially, in the absence of Government mandates and incentives, they will continue to be a tough sell to the average buyer.

Unfortunately for the European car manufacturers, Chinese EVs stack up financially better than their models do, however they are managing to produce reportedly good cars for a much lower price (Government subsidies, human right violations?)

yes , this possibly belongs in the ev tread not buying new stuff is always better , i was implying the choices made if got to buy something ...

 

[FreakyKiwi]

Back on topic.

Checking the local BYD website, which must be the most common Chinese EV brand selling here now, the models don't seem to offer any high end audio systems with listed features only highlighting the screen size and Carplay/Android Auto connectivity.

More interesting to me, they have an upcoming 4 wheel drive sedan model, the Sealion, with 390kw (more than a Tesla Model 3 performance) and 0-100kmh of 3.8 seconds.

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Geely offer a model with "Flyme sound 16 speaker system", whatever a Flyme is.

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[NTK]

Back on topic.

Checking the local BYD website, which must be the most common Chinese EV brand selling here now, the models don't seem to offer any high end audio systems with listed features only highlighting the screen size and Carplay/Android Auto connectivity.

More interesting to me, they have an upcoming 4 wheel drive sedan model with 390kw and 0-100kmh of 3.8 seconds.

Andrew Simms BYD

from $52,990 + ORC Electric vehicle incentives available. Learn more Up to 480 km 150 kw Blade Battery Learn More

www.bydauckland.co.nz

Geely offer a model with "Flyme sound 16 speaker system", whatever a Flyme is.

All Electric GEELY EX5

Experience the all-electric GEELY EX5 SUV – blending powerful 160kW performance, cutting-edge technology, and premium comfort.

www.geely.nz

Models of BYD's luxury brand Yangwang have Dynaudio "Evidence Platinum" sound systems.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=517233851341608

 

[NTK]

And BYD's other brand Denza partners with Devialet.

Denza and Devialet met on a journey

www.devialet.com

 

[Arindal]

Has anyone experienced any of these?

Had the chance to listen to the NIO ET7 system, the manufacturer claimed to have Dolby Atmos and Dirac stuff built in as a standard. It was surprisingly good, tonally balanced and a pleasure to listen to.

 

[jayapple]

Technically Lotus is now a Chinese brand, as they are part of Geely along with Polestar. Lotus packs a KEF system and I´m super curious about its performance.

Lotus electric vehicles are fully designed and manufactured in China and sold worldwide. The KEF audio system I feel is okay. The coaxial speakers are actually very suitable for the small speaker space in cars and sound quite good.

As for MG, well, it's a brand that doesn't quite make waves in China. You hardly ever see cars of this brand on the road, so they sell MG to Europe.

Regarding the audio system of electric vehicles, many of them now have dozens of speakers, along with a TV. Yes, it's really a TV. There's a foldable TV in the back row. You can sit in the back row to watch movies or play video games.