Chinese accuphase clone comparison video

[Beave]

I'm sorry to effect you like this. "All amps sound the exact same" I realize now was just a joke and I'm going to steal that one from you as it provided a good laugh for everyone. Ty

*affect

You're not stealing that quote from me because I'm not the one who wrote it. Learn how to use the quote function properly next time.

 

[antcollinet]

I'm sorry to effect you like this. "All amps sound the exact same" I realize now was just a joke and I'm going to steal that one from you as it provided a good laugh for everyone. Ty

You joined two months ago? Why have you waited until now to "school all those idiots at ASR"?

You realise we get one like you every few days? You are no more remarkable than any of the others. Nor are your posts having the effect you hope they are. I'm guessing you won't last any longer than the others, either.

 

[Talisman]

Relax go outside take a few breaths of fresh air. People can do and buy what they want with there money. Your opinion doesn't matter one bit to anyone but yourself so might as well keep it to yourself. I appreciate this post immensely and hope there are more that do this. Your self perceived high horse isn't what you think it' is.

trolls have to know how to do it, you know, if it's too obvious people will just laugh, like me.

 

[DaaDaa]

"To ask the question is to answer it."
I think the more interesting question is how clonal it actually is.
My suspicion of most if not all of these inexpensive (relatively speaking) Asian-sourced "clones" of much more expensive "brand name" components (vintage/classic or current production) is that the extent of their clonality ends at their product descriptions.

Cf., e.g., the famous (or infamous) McIntosh MC275 clone(s), e.g.
Perhaps the circuitry is identical (i.e., a clone of) that of the MC275 Mk IV (or whichever) -- but I'll reckon that the output transformers are not made identical to Mac's originals. Call me a skeptic.


View attachment 461606

source: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809056084043.html

View attachment 461607

well i dont know much about quality control 50 years ago but i have had some alone time with newer macintoch amps and DACs in my opinion it would be very difficult for the chinese manufacturers to make something shittier. i guess not impossible but difficult.

 

[Johnkeizer]

I can’t get over the sheer hostility displayed by a lot of posts on this site, the intolerance to any contrary views.
I thought audio was supposed to be a hobby for enjoyment.

 

[Talisman]

I can’t get over the sheer hostility displayed by a lot of posts on this site, the intolerance to any contrary views.
I thought audio was supposed to be a hobby for enjoyment.

I would say more than anything intolerance towards the theft of intellectual property

 

[Mart68]

the intolerance to any contrary views

There's intolerance to contrary views that aren't backed with some evidence. That's the whole point of the site.

'I heard it so there!' type posts are what we come here to get away from.

 

[Johnkeizer]

You maybe.
I came for a bit more.

 

[antcollinet]

I can’t get over the sheer hostility displayed by a lot of posts on this site, the intolerance to any contrary views.
I thought audio was supposed to be a hobby for enjoyment.

It's not the contrary views that are the problem - it is the obvious - and unpleasant - trolling.

You maybe.
I came for a bit more.

Then you picked the wrong site. The clue is in the name. Plus look at item 3 in the site owners FAQ.

 

[mocenigo]

Hi

For starters ,there is no magic in making an amp. Accupahse will sound identical within its operating range to any competently designed and built amplifier; these days, most any amplifier. They sound the same. There is no magic... there is no special ingredient or sauce. So I am annoyed by post like this,


they shouldn't fly around here.. And I am taking the OP to task. Did you measure? Can you show us some measurements, graphs that would prove that those clones or the original would "smoke" the/your Rotel?
or that pearl:


Another nonsense, If the clone is competently built, a trivial task these days, it will sound exactly the same as the Accuphase...

Not sure I like the idea of "cloning" a design.. I tend to believe in IP and trademarks and ... but ... copying designs from others is shared equally amongst countries.. That doesn't make it correct.. but ...

A different debate, perhaps...

Peace.

Of course, if a design is also very old, let us say 20 years old, then there is no IP to protect. The 2850 is not 20 years old but it is probably based on previous circuitry that is 20 years old. But I would be curious to see that.

 

[Paul7777x]

"Controlled listening experiences". I'll give that another "oh dear" and leave it at that

I can’t work out if you’re a puerile troll or just genuinely ignorant?

 

[Sokel]

I would say more than anything intolerance towards the theft of intellectual property

Reminds me of this:

It's sad actually.

 

[Purité Audio]

You maybe.
I came for a bit more.

In actuality subjective sites offer a great deal less.
Keith

 

[Jim Taylor]

I can’t get over the sheer hostility displayed by a lot of posts on this site, the intolerance to any contrary views.

Go on the NASA boards and tell them that the Earth is flat, and that the moon landing was faked. Tell us about the reaction you get.
Tell the Federation of State Medical Boards that homeopathy is valid. Tell us about the reaction you get.

I thought audio was supposed to be a hobby for enjoyment.

It is. Some enjoy it via banter based on uncontrolled subjective listening, and others (like ASR) enjoy it based on the lifetime work of scientists and engineers who have built the recording industry for over a hundred hears, and the playback technology that allows us access to it.

Some people think nothing of deceptive and dishonest business practices. Some people actually support deceptive and dishonest business practices. They care not one whit about the consequences ... for themselves or for other people.

ASR is not a comfortable place for those people.

 

[Ropeburn]

I can’t get over the sheer hostility displayed by a lot of posts on this site, the intolerance to any contrary views.
I thought audio was supposed to be a hobby for enjoyment.

Oh, it is. It's all about the enjoyment actually.

The question is how you get there. What if you have, say, 5000 moneys for a stereo, and you plan an amp for 3000, a "really good one"? And then you find out via objective measurements the other 1000 moneys model can't sound worse, or is actually a bit better? Then you get speakers for 3000 instead of 1500 and they're just what you wanted, but the 1500 pair wouldn't cut it. Or suddenly a good subwoofer fits into the budget too. And whatnot.

Thousands of possible scenarios like this where objectively informed decisions greatly improve enjoyment. The other way around, it's way too easy to just spend the money based on subjective reviews and end up with something mediocre. Then those reviews and your decisions based on them were detrimental to your enjoyment because you could've had something way better instead.

 

[WillBrink]

I can’t get over the sheer hostility displayed by a lot of posts on this site, the intolerance to any contrary views.
I thought audio was supposed to be a hobby for enjoyment.

You must be new it then...

 

[ahofer]

Of course the clones will never sound as good as the originals, but if they can reproduce the sound of the original to 80% or more then I would say they are pretty good. Especially for the price.

I’d say you are 80% of the way there. Sadly, audible amplifier differences are rare to non-existent, assuming adequate power, low output impedance, and decent distortion figures.

 

[Ropeburn]

I’d say you are 80% of the way there. Sadly, audible amplifier differences are rare to non-existent, assuming adequate power, low output impedance, and decent distortion figures.

Sadly? Happily! Because it means big, clean power is cheap.

 

[ahofer]

Sadly? Happily! Because it means big, clean power is cheap.

Yes, happily for me (with my Purifi/Hypex amps), sadly when I look at the kilobuck amplifiers and the people standing up for them. At least the amps actually achieve high levels of power, etc., as opposed to high end cables which are often just worse.

 

[Ropeburn]

Yes, happily for me (with my Purifi/Hypex amps), sadly when I look at the kilobuck amplifiers and the people standing up for them. At least the amps actually achieve high levels of power, etc., as opposed to high end cables which are often just worse.
View attachment 525977

You just had to use the worst possible example, didn't you?

By the gods of the heavens and the underworlds of all cultures on Terra, that must be the most gaudy, pretentious, and faux-bling looking amplifier line of all times. Somehow I have my doubts that real D'Agostino music will even sound good on it.

(Brotip: it sounds perfectly fine amplified on Hypex amps lol)