Chinese accuphase clone comparison video

[Sir Sanders Zingmore]

Ohhh. I see. It was such an off the cuff comment I was simply baffle gabbed and confused.

My cunning plan worked then…..

 

[Doodski]

My cunning plan worked then…..

LoL.. Haha

 

[dlaloum]

Wow, you're a hero.
Are you fighting capitalist monopoly by buying shoddy knockoffs of high-end amplifiers mass-produced at low cost in China?

Just a bit of a stretch there...

 

[ryan74701]

Just a bit of a stretch there...

lol shoddy, this thing is built like a tank, if someone wants to see shoddy pick up any Yamaha amplifier under $2k

 

[Billy Budapest]

Hey everyone.

Just thought I would post this for the people that might be interested in the Accuphase clone pre amps.

Video of me comparing an Muysus C2860 plus pre amp to a real Accuphase C-2850 pre amp.

Used all reference grade equipment in a sound treated room to bring the best out in the whole system

Can see that the Muysus is a real bang for your buck item.

One *preamp* sounds better than other? That’s almost impossible as one DAC sounding better than another. Competently-designed equipment should impart no sonic signature of its own and should be indistinguishable from each other. In large part, this is true. Maybe there are audible differences in terms of noise (hum, hiss, crackle, etc). Other differences should be below the limits of audibility, unless something is profoundly broken like THD over 3% or FR response that’s down (or up) over +/- 3dB dB over ranges where human hearing is most sensitive.

 

[dlaloum]

One *presmp* sounds better than other? That’s almost impossible as one DAC sounding better than another. Competently-designed equipment should impart no sonic signature of its own and should be indistinguishable from each other. In large part, this is true. Maybe there are audible differences in terms of noise (hum, hiss, crackle, etc). Other differences should be below the limits of audibility, unless something is profoundly broken like THD over 3% or FR response that’s down (or up) over +/- 3dB dB over ranges where human hearing is most sensitive.

Well if they are indistinguishable from each other, and the benchmark is the Accuphase, then the Muysus has proved its worth.... QED so to speak! (at least subjectively, and within psychoacoustic ability to differentiate)

 

[Snoopy]

lol shoddy, this thing is built like a tank, if someone wants to see shoddy pick up any Yamaha amplifier under $2k

The unit (the clone) does look nice on the inside. But who knows if the capacitors and everything in there are quality parts or just look the part.
Are all the soldered parts and bits work for decades.. is it repairable.

Is it a possible fire hazard..

On the outside, faceplate especially it looks like junk (sorry).

Not a fan of clones. Especially if they look nothing like the real thing ..


I would be worried about something like this

You get what you pay for with this stuff.. and buying a clone from aliexpress or eBay is something I feel like is just asking for it..


Get go out there and buy a refurbished vintage amplifier that won’t break the bank.

Nothing against Chinese equipment or made in china by other brands. But at least get something by reputable brands that own their own factory there and do quality control .

 

[respice finem]

The unit (the clone) does look nice on the inside. But who knows if the capacitors and everything in there are quality parts or just look the part.
Are all the soldered parts and bits work for decades.. is it repairable.

Is it a possible fire hazard..

On the outside, faceplate especially it looks like junk (sorry).

Not a fan of clones. Especially if they look nothing like the real thing ..
not a fan of clones…

I would be worried about something like thisView attachment 492312

That "Matroshka" cap wins the Internet
But at least a Rubycon cap inside - if it's genuine, that is...

 

[Snoopy]

That "Matroshka" cap wins the Internet
But at least a Rubycon cap inside - if it's genuine, that is...

I don’t want to know what sometimes really ends up in cheap Chinese dacs and amps once the first round of positive reviews is out. Especially cheap things where they sell v3 of the unit before the year is over.

 

[Chr1]

This is mostly speculation. Can those people in the know have a good look at the components visible in the relevant photos and comment?

They may be up to spec. They may not.

I am curious.
But not knowledgeable enough to know the difference by looking at the photos shown.

I guess the only things that matter are unknown.
ie How it measures. And how it lasts.

 

[respice finem]

I don’t want to know what sometimes really ends up in cheap Chinese dacs and amps once the first round of positive reviews is out. Especially cheap things where they sell v3 of the unit before the year is over.

Might be a good idea to re-test some of these. And not only Chinese ones...

 

[Snoopy]

Might be a good idea to re-test some of these. And not only Chinese ones...

Even if they measure the same or close enough, it’s still possible that there are other and cheaper parts in there for that very reason I prefer brands that manufacture the same units for years . Even if it’s a Chinese manufacturer, at least stick to the once that don’t release a dac and amp of the month.

 

[Mart68]

Even if it’s a Chinese manufacturer, at least stick to the once that don’t release a dac and amp of the month.

But that's a good way to keep selling the same thing to the same people. And they don't seem to mind.

 

[respice finem]

As long as there's demand, there will be supply, yes. Whether it makes sense or not.

 

[mhardy6647]

Well if they are indistinguishable from each other, and the benchmark is the Accuphase, then the Muysus has proved its worth.... QED so to speak! (at least subjectively, and within psychoacoustic ability to differentiate)

Possibly worth revisiting, e.g., the ten-year survival rate of the two cohorts (i.e., Accuphase vs. Muysus) before drawing a conclusion.

 

[dlaloum]

Possibly worth revisiting, e.g., the ten-year survival rate of the two cohorts (i.e., Accuphase vs. Muysus) before drawing a conclusion.

Different criteria.

The price of the Accuphase includes extended support and warranties.

The Muysus doesn't.

All of which factors into the value equation.

 

[Talisman]

lol shoddy, this thing is built like a tank, if someone wants to see shoddy pick up any Yamaha amplifier under $2k

I would prefer even a lousy Yamaha AS201 to this piece of copied junk.

 

[ryan74701]

I would prefer even a lousy Yamaha AS201 to this piece of copied junk.

Oh geez dude get a grip

 

[ryan74701]

This is mostly speculation. Can those people in the know have a good look at the components visible in the relevant photos and comment?

They may be up to spec. They may not.

I am curious.
But not knowledgeable enough to know the difference by looking at the photos shown.

I guess the only things that matter are unknown.
ie How it measures. And how it lasts.

Yeah I second this, I have a musmy a-75 clone that showed up a week ago but I’ve been to busy to even open the box, might do it tonight and open the top and post pictures in a new thread where I’m sure I’ll get the “ew stolen design” or other misinformed comment from people who literally have zero experience with any of these products that are based on expired patents.

 

[Adis]

I would prefer even a lousy Yamaha AS201 to this piece of copied junk.

That Accuphase preamp ain't junk.