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Chernobyl series on HBO

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Just saw the final episode. It did not disappoint, and my very high opinion of the series after 4 episodes is unchanged after the finale.
 

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I've worked for a gov't bureaucracy in a utility (not nuclear). The situation isn't that much different than Chernobyl sometimes. Those gov't situations seem immune to results oriented management vs private industry. It is worse and cover ups could be done more often in a communist country, but it is more about gov't bureaucracy than anything. There was a situation where another person and I were sent elsewhere for the 'crime of knowing'. We were complaining of a glaring deficiency in an upcoming project. The people running all this didn't want to hear it. So they just moved us away to other things. Our complaint would have cost less than $200k to fix up front in a $17 million project. The project was done without the fix. It blew up the first time it was operated for exactly the reason we were complaining. It cost an additional $35 million to address afterwards. Did anyone say we should have listened to you, or we're sorry you were right, or we'll pay more attention in the future? Nope, just the reverse. Make sure those two guys don't get a chance to make us look foolish ever again. Keep an extra careful watch on what they get to know.
 

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I've worked for a gov't bureaucracy in a utility (not nuclear). The situation isn't that much different than Chernobyl sometimes. Those gov't situations seem immune to results oriented management vs private industry. It is worse and cover ups could be done more often in a communist country, but it is more about gov't bureaucracy than anything. There was a situation where another person and I were sent elsewhere for the 'crime of knowing'. We were complaining of a glaring deficiency in an upcoming project. The people running all this didn't want to hear it. So they just moved us away to other things. Our complaint would have cost less than $200k to fix up front in a $17 million project. The project was done without the fix. It blew up the first time it was operated for exactly the reason we were complaining. It cost an additional $35 million to address afterwards. Did anyone say we should have listened to you, or we're sorry you were right, or we'll pay more attention in the future? Nope, just the reverse. Make sure those two guys don't get a chance to make us look foolish ever again. Keep an extra careful watch on what they get to know.
I've only worked in private companies, but that sounds very similar to so many projects I've worked on or around. The reasons why people don't want to listen to experience may vary, but the results don't.
I love 'the crime of knowing' phase, I'll be using that soon.
 

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I've only worked in private companies, but that sounds very similar to so many projects I've worked on or around. The reasons why people don't want to listen to experience may vary, but the results don't.
I love 'the crime of knowing' phase, I'll be using that soon.
I copied that from the HBO series. The physicist who first figured out the RMBK danger wrote a paper on it which they didn't let anyone know about. The main character in this series, Jared Harris playing Valery Legasov says when the lady is asking him to tell the truth, that the physicist who wrote the paper was exiled for the crime of knowing.
 

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Man this was such a great mini-series. I had moderate to low expectations, but that was wonderful. The dreadful ambiance throughout the whole thing was masterfully done.
 

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Not that I'm a TV critic or anything, but the woman scientist character who, in fact, never existed but 'who represents the rest of the scientific community' was a pretty audacious inclusion for a 'factual' reconstruction!

And these days, the cynic in me automatically thinks that she was created for political correctness reasons: this was an entirely male-dominated story, caused by men behaving very badly but offset by men behaving heroically. That's history for you.

To counter this, the programme makers introduce a stoic, steadfast, determined, heroic woman to supposedly represent all scientists (a purely positive group of people of course).

Is this what we must now expect from all historically-based dramas? And then books? The re-writing of history in order to shoe-horn political correctness into everything? The recent film Dunkirk was criticised for not having a sufficiently diverse cast of characters. Future film makers will have taken note.

The BBC has started down the path of re-writing well-known fictional stories e.g. Agatha Christie. They did one a couple of years back where, instead of the murderer being a poor woman character, they changed it to the rich man (naturally). But they didn't announce in advance that they were re-writing the story, so aficionados of Agatha Christie were perplexed to say the least!
 
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For all its many faults and horrors, the Soviet Union was fairly progressive when it came to women in roles like medicine and science. The closing credits of the series include a photograph of a large group of the scientific team in a bus, and several of them are women.

The compression of the entire team into a single fictionalized character, and the crafting of that character into a fairly typical disaster-movie truth-teller, is indeed problematic. But within that narrative sin, it hardly matters if the character is male or female.
 

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For all its many faults and horrors, the Soviet Union was fairly progressive when it came to women in roles like medicine and science. The closing credits of the series include a photograph of a large group of the scientific team in a bus, and several of them are women.

The compression of the entire team into a single fictionalized character, and the crafting of that character into a fairly typical disaster-movie truth-teller, is indeed problematic. But within that narrative sin, it hardly matters if the character is male or female.
Progressive? Far from it. The roles for women were almost entirely low status. Lots of women in the legal and accounting professions, as law and accounts were entirely fluid depending on the requirements of the party and the state. Production and engineering were very male. Did you see any women in the nuclear control centre?
Working in Latvia and Uzbekistan I met a lot of female accountants, but very few factory managers. Actually, only one and she was a product of the post Soviet era.
This was mildly amusing to see in the 90s as legal and accounting roles became higher status.
 
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Progressive? Far from it. The roles for women were almost entirely low status. Lots of women in the legal and accounting professions, as law and accounts were entirely fluid depending on the requirements of the party and the state. Production and engineering were very male. Did you see any women in the nuclear control centre?
Working in Latvia and Uzbekistan I met a lot of female accountants, but very few factory managers. Actually, only one and she was a product of the post Soviet era.
This was mildly amusing to see in the 90s as legal and accounting roles became higher status.
Nevertheless, women were among the group of scientists involved with dealing with the Cherynobyl situation.
 

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The show is very watchable, harrowing and very diligent when it comes to details, but there's a lot of Hollywoodization of facts and of the the social-political-bureaucratic essence of the Soviet Union. Here's a good critique: https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-...obyl-got-right-and-what-it-got-terribly-wrong
It is very difficult to get some of these elements across to people who have never lived in a totalitarian society, as so much of it is simply understood by everyone.
Frankly I doubt that the party representative at the meeting in the bunker in E1 said anything about socialism or Lenin, he wouldn’t need to, everyone there would know this already. But he has to say it for the viewers.
My favourite episode, the finale, is easily the most fictionalised. But it works the best as television.
Final plug for the podcast, where the writer really goes into these decisions in detail.
 
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