Cheap cable raisers, do they make a difference ?

[Leporello]

"Professional" LOL

Then again, why not? You can be a professional homeopathy practitioner or a professional psychic if someone pays for your service.

 

[terryforsythe]

ABX switching by a third party hidden from view or some of @DanielT's suggestions.

If somebody is reviewing equipment and publishing a review, e.g., someone who holds themself out as an authoritative figure, I agree.

But, for somebody just making minor tweaks to their own system, IMO it is a waste of time, as well as a waste of money to buy the ABX switcher. If something sounds better or worse to me, I could care less about making a scientific experiment out of it. If the placebo affect makes me enjoy the music even more, I want it.

 

[DonR]

If somebody is reviewing equipment and publishing a review, e.g., someone who holds themself out as an authoritative figure, I agree.

But, for somebody just making minor tweaks to their own system, IMO it is a waste of time, as well as a waste of money to buy the ABX switcher. If something sounds better or worse to me, I could care less about making a scientific experiment out of it. If the placebo affect makes me enjoy the music even more, I want it.

The your whole point of someone testing it for themselves becomes pointless. What is the point if it only reinforces your already assumed narrative?

 

[terryforsythe]

The your whole point of someone testing it for themselves becomes pointless. What is the point if it only reinforces your already assumed narrative?

So, do you do a blind ABX comparison every time you make a minor change to your system?

Do you do a blind ABX when trying to find the best locations for your speakers in your room?

 

[Chrispy]

So, do you do a blind ABX comparison every time you make a minor change to your system?

Do you do a blind ABX when trying to find the best locations for your speakers in your room?

Bigger question to me is why you would need to worry about or abx something just because you changed something. Audio nervosa?

 

[DonR]

So, do you do a blind ABX comparison every time you make a minor change to your system?

Do you do a blind ABX when trying to find the best locations for your speakers in your room?

No. I rely on measurements.

 

[Descartes]

I disagree. On ASR the person ought to be provided with the correct advice and treated with respect.

There is no such thing as a stupid/funny question if asked in good faith. That some answers have been mocking, this is a reason that ASR may be viewed as unprofessional.

Fair enough, but please on a forum driven by scientific data, just projecting opinions unless clearly stated otherwise are not worth it!
Why not ask if adding a roll of toilet paper on your speakers make them sound better or if 5% more oxygen makes the sound more fluid!
I guess any thing goes!

 

[terryforsythe]

No. I rely on measurements.

What measurements do you use to compare imaging and sound sage?

 

[MarkS]

It is a fair question, in audio the more expensive something is the better it is this is a completely universal and immutable rule.
Keith

I know you're being sarcastic, but newbies may not. After all, what you are saying is treated as gospel truth in most audio forums.

It's also a truism that sarcasm on the interwebs does not come across.

 

[Chrispy]

What measurements do you use to compare imaging and sound sage?

For cable risers?

 

[antcollinet]

I have said what I have said.

He's pulling your leg.

 

[DonR]

What measurements do you use to compare imaging and sound sage?

Room reflections but most of that is in the recording already.

 

[antcollinet]

Clearly you have a wet sense of humour. What is the point of saying things that are not only untrue but dangerous to the naive? Just one reason. No excuses.

Dude - lighten up a little. This thread is full of people taking the piss out off cable risers. 95.263% of posts are not meant to be taken seriously.

 

[DonR]

Dude - lighten up a little. This thread is full of people taking the piss out off cable risers. 95.263% of posts are not meant to be taken seriously.

I take donuts VERY seriously, much to my doctor's chagrin.

 

[terryforsythe]

Room reflections but most of that is in the recording already.

So you measure the room reflections at every speaker location you are considering? What room reflection value do you consider optimal?

 

[antcollinet]

I take donuts VERY seriously, much to my doctor's chagrin.

Clearly your posts fall in the 4.737%

 

[DonR]

So you measure the room reflections at every speaker location you are considering? What room reflection value do you consider optimal?

No, I place the speaker optimally for me in the room and then measure the response. If it measures sufficiently good, I stick with it otherwise I move the speaker and remeasure. Tiny changes in reflections will not be noticeable, especially when one considers changes in listening position will absolutely swamp any microscopic change in speaker position.

 

[terryforsythe]

No, I place the speaker optimally for me in the room and then measure the response. If it measures sufficiently good, I stick with it otherwise I move the speaker and remeasure. Tiny changes in reflections will not be noticeable, especially when one considers changes in listening position will absolutely swamp any microscopic change in speaker position.

Frequency response alone is not sufficient to determine how well speakers image and sound stage. I have tuned my system to the same target frequency response curve with the speakers in different locations in the room and with different amounts of toe in, but the imaging and soundstaging are not the same. I have found the optimal locations and amount of toe in for my preference by listening to the speakers. You should try it some time.

 

[Mikig]

Try it, build your cable lifters or buy some and do your own test.

I use them traditionally. It's part of those little things that come from the past. I made them with a lot of love, rubber and double-sided tape. They suck, but I'm fond of them.

Differences in sound?
I would look elsewhere, but I won't give you my result:I don't want to ruin the surprise of your experiment!!

I had built my cable lifters because I had read so much about them, but I always refused to spend money to try them. So I equipped myself, but I never did any particular tests.

 

[DonR]

Frequency response alone is not sufficient to determine how well speakers image and sound stage. I have tuned my system to the same target frequency response curve with the speakers in different locations in the room and with different amounts of toe in, but the imaging and soundstaging are not the same. I have found the optimal locations and amount of toe in for my preference by listening to the speakers. You should try it some time.

It is too unreliable a method for me.