DonR
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Echoic memory is 4 seconds so still not a valid test.
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Cheap cable raisers, do they make a difference ?
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If you run out of the room, eat the doughnuts Homer Simpson like?
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terryforsythe
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Then, what do you recommend?
solderdude
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Cable raisers can and cannot make a difference depending on whether or not one believes they will make a difference.
The more one spends on them (when believing they do make a difference) the ,always positive, effect may be greater.
So ... when you hear an improvement use them. When you expect no difference to occur save yourself money and don't buy any.
When you want to know... just use the shown toilet roll thingies. When this sounds better buy expensive ones as the effect will certainly be better.
When you hear no improvement this is even better and costs you nothing.
This basically applies to nearly all audiophool tweaks.
The more one spends on them (when believing they do make a difference) the ,always positive, effect may be greater.
So ... when you hear an improvement use them. When you expect no difference to occur save yourself money and don't buy any.
When you want to know... just use the shown toilet roll thingies. When this sounds better buy expensive ones as the effect will certainly be better.
When you hear no improvement this is even better and costs you nothing.
This basically applies to nearly all audiophool tweaks.
Maybe an amp with balance control. Blind test then with one speaker with cable lifter the other without. Turn the balance control, listen and take note. Plug in the speaker cables randomly a number of times, so that both speakers have both with and without cable lifters.
Or in some other way if you can use a balance control?
Test with a speaker switch? An amp with dual speaker outputs and then....?
I'm just throwing out some ideas. It should be possible to fix a valid blind test in a relatively simple, and cheap, way.
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Digital_Thor
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As kids, we used to play the floor is lava. But that was just playing, like imagination, before internet, mobiles and all that stuff that require batteries or any other power source.
Now as adults., what do people really think that hides in their floors? 10.000 volt power lines right under the tiles or wooden planks? And if so... why do they think a few cm is going to change anything
The whole trick with sales people is, to only have around 5% more knowledge than the customer - PS audio is a prime example of this. Anytime you're missing info to fill in the blanks - be careful of trusting anything - especially from people who feel way to sure of themselves, about "magical" and so-called "undiscovered/hidden"knowledge, that science just can't explain - yet
Now as adults., what do people really think that hides in their floors? 10.000 volt power lines right under the tiles or wooden planks? And if so... why do they think a few cm is going to change anything
The whole trick with sales people is, to only have around 5% more knowledge than the customer - PS audio is a prime example of this. Anytime you're missing info to fill in the blanks - be careful of trusting anything - especially from people who feel way to sure of themselves, about "magical" and so-called "undiscovered/hidden"knowledge, that science just can't explain - yet
terryforsythe
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Well, I just tested it, sighted of course. I heard absolutely no difference.
Did I perform the test as a scientific experiment? No. For this I don't need to do so. Bias or not, if I cannot readily hear a difference, that means the difference, if there even is one, is so subtle that it does not matter to me. In the end, how it sounds to me is the only thing that matters (my wife couldn't care less).
Noske
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I did put a ;p at the end of the sentence. For some reason it didn't display as an emoticon.
It should have looked like this:
I guess this was lost in translation.
Well. consider that a fail, audio tony.
My cables don't warm up. I am on 10 amp supply, 240 volt. I use a valve amp from time to time which requires a not insubstantial amount of electricity with just standard wall plugs. I have no idea what is going on in Leeds, but I suspect you may wish to have some things checked.
audio_tony
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My cables don't warm up either (and I would never expect them to).
You are taking this entire thread far to seriously!
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30 years ago when I believed cables made a huge difference I had a Rotel amp start shorting on me due to the weight of the cables on the speaker posts. Cable risers might have helped that but nothing else I can think of good about them
Noske
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What is a metal floor? Don't most us have at least carpet, or if floorboards perhaps one of those big floor rugs?
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DonR
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ABX switching by a third party hidden from view or some of @DanielT's suggestions.
For huge sonic differences, I would agree but for subtle variations, this is probably just as invalid. Ultimately, if you hold to the theory that cables only transmit an electrical signal, then you could capture the signal being transmitted by both lifted and unlifted cables using an ADC or audio interface and then subtract the two signals. The residual will be the difference the risers make... which will be none, IMO.
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My 35 foot long Belden speaker cables start in my equipment room, and then plunge down a hole in the floor to run inside the wall along ceilings across beams, up through a hole in the floor in my listening room, along my shag rug (and actually buried in my shag rug) to my loud speakers.
An absolute nightmare for some of the golden ear crowd! One can only imagine the number of impurities being picked up along the way and that path.
And of course it sounds no different in terms of any audible deterioration than when I had the traditional set up in my room with equipment near the speakers. It’s amazing the things you can do, and still sleep well at night as an audiophile, when you don’t fall for some of the cable myths.
An absolute nightmare for some of the golden ear crowd! One can only imagine the number of impurities being picked up along the way and that path.
And of course it sounds no different in terms of any audible deterioration than when I had the traditional set up in my room with equipment near the speakers. It’s amazing the things you can do, and still sleep well at night as an audiophile, when you don’t fall for some of the cable myths.
Given some of the responses to your posts, @Purité Audio I feel inclined to mention the bon mot attributed to George S. Kaufman:
source: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/satire-is-what-closes-on_b_5052046
Lots of comment from the "Call for Humor" fraction, now some DIY advice:
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It's Saturday, not?
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It's Saturday, not?
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I like it. Great metaphysics.
Does Escher make cable lifts?
Hmm... with apologies for drifting on topic: Legos would seem to offer myriad possibilities vis-a-vis the construction and evaluation of various cable lift geometries.
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